Steve Prohm says he'll meet with Jamie Pollard to discuss his future next week...

[CyLyte2]

Smith was 14-18 one season at USD. He's out.

 

[Tpups21]

Only reason TJ is on the radar is because he's familiar with ISU, is married to and ISU legend, has close personal ties to the ISU AD and was at ISU for one of the most successful stretches in ISU history. Besides being a successful head coach. Other than that....

Mike Daum made him successful at SD State much like Niang did for Prohm.

 

[CyLyte2]

Mike Daum made him successful at SD State much like Niang did for Prohm.

Daum play at UNLV last year?

 

[Stormin]

For anyone wondering:

Larry at Utah State:
Year 1: 14-13
Year 2: 21-8
Year 3: 18-15
Year 4: 20-9
Year 5: 25-8

Fine, but not lighting the world on fire.

Tim at New Orleans:
Year 1: 17-15
Year 2: 26-4
Year 3: 20-10

Each one had one big year. You don't expect year 1 to be great. Neither one exactly built some long-term culture of excellence.
Prohm had 2, plus nothing like the show we've seen the last two years. His Murray State years:

Year 1: 31-2
Year 2: 21-10
Year 3: 23-11
Year 4: 29-6

When I look at records coming in, Prohm was head and shoulders above the other guys. It's really not even close.

Those are Tim Floyd’s last 3 years (4,5,6) at University of New Orleans. Tim Floyd’s first 3 years with UNO they won the League all 3 years. Floyd was at UNO for six years.

 

[CycloneErik]

Those are Tim Floyd’s last 3 years (4,5,6) at University of New Orleans. Tim Floyd’s first 3 years with UNO they won the League all 3 years. Floyd was at UNO for six years.

Looks like an easy league to win:
19-11
21-11
23-8

I'm sleepwalking today, but that dude's record didn't match Prohm's.

 

[clone52]

You missed some home runs.

Such as?

 

[Tpups21]

Daum play at UNLV last year?

You call 17-15 good?

 

[Stormin]

Looks like an easy league to win:
19-11
21-11
23-8


I'm sleepwalking today, but that dude's record didn't match Prohm's.

Helluva lot better Coach though.

 

[CycloneErik]

Helluva lot better Coach though.

Coming in? Stay focused.

 

[WhoISthis]

I would be curious what you do for a career.

I have never seen a business owner or high level executive totally turn over decision making to someone working for them. Some execs are micro managers, some are very hands off. But none has stepped aside when a big decision is made. It's not a matter of trusting, its a matter of where the buck stops if something goes wrong or if the subordinate's vision differs from the owner/executive.

If Jamie and Wendy HAVE A TRUSTING RELATIONSHIP, then Jamie would welcome Wendy's involvement & input.

Well said.
Wendy doesn’t need all the details but should be informed. JP should be able to defend his reasoning to her if she has concerns or questions. Standard stuff.

Not in basketball coach judgement, but the process. Jamie himself hasn’t been known as a basketball guy. WW should ask how he’s overcome that- what basketball resources did he use (Thompson was big back in the day). Does he feel he’s better able to mske the decision after his time on the committee. What was he willing to pay? Are there stronger candidates that require more money but would garner more donor support? Basic boss stuff.

 

[clone52]

Prohm’s problem is that players like THT, Wiggington, Halliburton, etc. leave as fast as they can for the NBA. They probably realize Prohm can’t Coach them up to improve. So move on. One or two year players don’t sustain a program. It is the very good 4 year players that build the foundation unless you are a Kentucky, Duke, or Kansas.

Isaiah Cannon got coached up. Cameron Payne got coached up. Monte Morris got coached up. Tyrease Halliburton coached up.

THT got drafted. If Prohm were so bad at coaching people up, why on earth would Monte have stuck around for his last year? Does Prohm get any credit for turning Thomas into an NBA player (people freaking hated him before Prohm came along, bashing him, calling him a recruiting miss. Were people projecting Naz Long to be an NBA guy when Prohm got the job?

 

[Stormin]

You call 17-15 good?

Looks a lot better than the last 3 years we have had. At the rate Prohm racked up wins this year it would take him 8 1/2 years to win 17 games.

 

[Stormin]

Coming in? Stay focused.

Yes. Gary Thompson agrees with me.

 

[clone52]

I have done so multiple times.

Let’s look at Prohm. He was head coach for 4 years at Murray State. Murray State has an extensive history as a feeder school for coaches. It is by far the best job in that conference and is a relatively easy job. While there he made the tournament once with two NBA point guards. One was inherited from his predecessor. He had a really good regular season record but a lack of postseason success. Before as an assistant he had some minor low level jobs with Billy Kennedy. He had one year away from him at Tulane.

TJ has extensive P5 experience as an assistant under multiple coaches and a couple of locations. He has good experience at SDSU as a head coach and some preliminary experience now at UNLV.

TJ was the main recruiter during Fred’s time here. His recruiting also fits our recruiting grounds which Prohms doesn’t.

Prohm of Murray State was no where near as good of a candidate as TJ is now.

You sure seem to make a lot of excuses for why Prohm doesn't deserve credit for things that went well at Murray State and give TJ credit for everything that went well as an assistant at Iowa STate.

Who has had more success recruiting players who have gone on to success in the NBA? List names.

Also, I'm not saying Prohm should be Iowa State's coach. He can't cut it. TJ would be worthy of a shot at it. I'm just pointing out how stupid some people are.

 

[Urbandale2013]

You call 17-15 good?

2nd in the conference does.

 

[clone52]

Who gives a **** about players in the NBA. I'm interested in Iowa State winning basketball games, not how many assists Haliburton has for some scrub team out west.

I'm sure you have read all my posts and didn't get this, but all I was replying to was the crazy notion that 2021 TJ Otzelberger is a far better candidate for Iowa State than 2015 Steve Prohm was.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Besides being a successful head coach. Other than that....

So we now define success as barely .500??

 

[clone52]

Daum play at UNLV last year?

Great point. 17-15 last year was just incredible for UNLV.

 

[CycloneErik]

Yes. Gary Thompson agrees with me.

Nice work, Swirlin'.
You have no ability to stick to a point. Just swirl round and round and round. Well done.

Now, do you have something where Gary Thompson has compared the incoming resumes of Floyd and Prohm, or are you just making some dumbass "point?"
Don't worry, Swirly. I know the answer.

 

[WhoISthis]

Isaiah Cannon got coached up. Cameron Payne got coached up. Monte Morris got coached up. Tyrease Halliburton coached up.

THT got drafted. If Prohm were so bad at coaching people up, why on earth would Monte have stuck around for his last year? Does Prohm get any credit for turning Thomas into an NBA player (people freaking hated him before Prohm came along, bashing him, calling him a recruiting miss. Were people projecting Naz Long to be an NBA guy when Prohm got the job?

Morris didn’t get coached up- he got more volume. He returned because he wasn’t a first rounder. Where did he get drafted?

Most of the development is recruiting and culture. Both of which Prohm had little to do with. Why do you think you only listed guys from the previous staff?

Players improve as they get older in nearly all programs. There will always be some development. The fact the development has dropped so much since 2017 is a reflection of this staff.

We’re 0-18. It’s okay to acknowledge this staff is very bad. That didn’t just start this year