I can’t even dignify this with a real response. Why don’t you go look at Fred’s early rosters and then come back and tell us if TJ can get guys as good as THT(who was instrumental in us finishing .500 that year). This is comical.
Steve Prohm says he'll meet with Jamie Pollard to discuss his future next week...
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CycloneErik
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Close. Long Beach City College/State.
I had to look it up. I agree on the fishbowl part from earlier. I read that in a Lute biography a while ago. It was a big much for them.
That explains it. UNLV people think they are still in the Larry Johnson days.
I don't have anything against TJ, but your "he's obviously the best" in any argument comes across as you being his agent... are you his agent? If not, you might consider stepping back and contemplating what really differs TJ from Prohm - seems that it's that he's spent time in Ames and at other P5 schools and has had some nice recruiting success. Maybe those are ultimately winning distinctions, but to extend your passion for him to claiming that he's better than Smith, Gates,... and has a resume in no way like Prohm seems a bit of a stretch. Seems like there's lots of risk with him too.
TJ wasn’t super involved in getting Georges or Naz. He didn’t get monte.
He got Matt Thomas.
Recruiting apparently...
I want a coach who has a proven system and identity. His teams play defense and rebound.
My fear with TJ is that he's offense oriented like Hoiberg. As much as I liked Hoiberg it drove me nuts that he didn't focus on defense and admitted he didn't work on it in practice. If his teams weren't knocking down shots they struggled to win.
I think a team that is going to be consistently successful has to find other ways to win if they aren't making shots. Hoiberg's teams didn't do it and Prohm's teams definitely didn't do it...I fear TJ's teams will be the same.
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TJ took the UNLV job because it was a good step up from SDSU and that was the opportunity he had. Let’s not pretend UNLV canned a coach that won 11 conference games to get TJ. They got TJ because Beard left them at the altar.
I never said “he is the best”. I want Freddy to come back but comparing TJ to Prohm is ridiculous. Prohm’s resume was not nearly as good as TJs is now. There’s no arguing that. As far as comparing to the other flavors of the month, TJ obviously gets a bounce for having incredible knowledge of his potential future employer and boss. You can’t discount that.
How do you justify TJ's record as a head coach?
You won't dignify this with a response because you can't defend it.
Here are a list of TJs high level recruits at Iowa State.
Diante Garrett (very good, but in your opinion, he sucked because his teams sucked)
Craig Brackins (very good, but in your opinion, he sucked because his teams sucked)
Mike Taylor (good, but his teams sucked so he sucked)
Niang (home run)
Naz (home run)
Ejim (home run)
Thomas (home run)
from a pure talent perspective, Prohm's recruits are having far more impact in the NBA than TJs best recruits.
At this point I think it's proven that Prohm is an elite evaluator of talent and above average recruiter but not a coach at this level.
He has identified and recruited 3 NBA point guards in a short head coaching career (not counting Monte)...but look what happens in Big 12 play without a future NBA point guard running the show.
Obviously a coach needs to be able to recruit, but if the emphasis is on recruiting we already have a coach who can recruit. It's not just point guards either because THT and Foster were elite recruits. We have made fun of Bruce Webber on this board but at least he's a proven gameday coach who can coach up a team that might not have elite talent. We know now that the floor is incredibly low for a good recruiter who does not prepare the team and coach the way he needs to on gameday. This year was going to be a down year given losing two players recently to the NBA, but it's crazy that it was this down when there is some talent on the roster.
Prohm's recruiting wasn't really a dropoff from Fred's in terms of the impact and NBA potential of the best recruits, THT and Tyrese are the biggest "upside" recruits since Fizer, Tinsley and Royce White. Fred was great at filling in the gaps with contributing players who probably didn't have NBA possibilities.
Who gives a **** about players in the NBA. I'm interested in Iowa State winning basketball games, not how many assists Haliburton has for some scrub team out west.
But again literally no one is saying they would rather retain Prohm than hire TJ.
What people are saying is they aren’t excited about TJ. There’s a reason other P5 jobs have Smith, Medved and Dutcher rumors tied to them. Meanwhile TJs name is tied to ISU only.
CycloneErik
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What? Prohm's was as good or better than most of the mid-major guys we experiment with. Better than Floyd's and Eustachy's, debatable whether it matched McDs, but Prohm's was probably better due to that bang-up final season at Murray State.
I have done so multiple times.
Let’s look at Prohm. He was head coach for 4 years at Murray State. Murray State has an extensive history as a feeder school for coaches. It is by far the best job in that conference and is a relatively easy job. While there he made the tournament once with two NBA point guards. One was inherited from his predecessor. He had a really good regular season record but a lack of postseason success. Before as an assistant he had some minor low level jobs with Billy Kennedy. He had one year away from him at Tulane.
TJ has extensive P5 experience as an assistant under multiple coaches and a couple of locations. He has good experience at SDSU as a head coach and some preliminary experience now at UNLV.
TJ was the main recruiter during Fred’s time here. His recruiting also fits our recruiting grounds which Prohms doesn’t.
Prohm of Murray State was no where near as good of a candidate as TJ is now.
The point is that Prohm is a great, or even elite, evaluator of talent and an above average recruiter. He grades out at a B+ in those areas at the very worst, maybe an A. He's recruited 3 NBA point guards not counting Monte...you don't have to watch NBA or like NBA but that means he has an eye for talented guards in particular.
New coach needs a proven track record of coaching up players and improving them.
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