Steve Prohm says he'll meet with Jamie Pollard to discuss his future next week...
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I dont think this is true at all. Guys like THT were obvious high talents that didn't take some genius talent evaluator to figure out.
For every Haliburton he also had guys like Lewis, Jacoby Long, Griffin, Blackwell, who were all 4 star players then were terrible when they were on campus.
So that begs the question then if guys like that were vastly overrated by talent evaluators or did they just become awful because they played for Prohm?
Just overall combined identifying players and recruiting them, Prohm is not bad.
It's not like just any coach can get THT or Foster to sign. It's not like just any coach identifies multiple players who are not 4* or 5* recruites that end up as NBA point guards.
Blows my mind people think Prohm's problem is recruiting and evaluating players. We already have a coach who can do that. The guy does not have the team ready to play and is not a good game day coach. Having 4 NBA point guards in your short 9 year head coaching career can mask that very well, the mask came off.
Agree with you on the buy out disagree on the covid paycut. He agreed to the paycut so tough cookies. IMO
We didn't lose 20 games in a row because Prohm can't identify and recruit talent.
Teams with worse recruits and less talent are doing much better than ISU the past two seasons.
Is this really that hard to see?
How many NCAA wins does TJ have?
How many conference tourney wins and ships does TJ have?
How many of TJ’s players are in the NBA?
How many conference tourney wins and ships does TJ have?
How many of TJ’s players are in the NBA?
Jesus....... I'm not sold on TJ either, but you're out here acting like he shagged your wife and kicked your dog on the way out..
Getting guys like Foster, THT and Wigginton means he's a good recruiter, it has nothing to do with talent evaluation. Any complete moron could evaluate Top 40, borderline 5 star players and know they will be good.
Nope, I’m acting like I firmly don’t want him to be the head coach at Iowa State. That’s it.
Prohm’s problem is that players like THT, Wiggington, Halliburton, etc. leave as fast as they can for the NBA. They probably realize Prohm can’t Coach them up to improve. So move on. One or two year players don’t sustain a program. It is the very good 4 year players that build the foundation unless you are a Kentucky, Duke, or Kansas.
Getting good players wasn't an issue but it depends on how you look at what evaluating entails.
The trend seemed to be good all around players but no real identifying of what role they fit into within his plan.
Basketball wise one issue with the 18-19 group was it looked like they were all trying to do the same thing at the same time.
Cam Payne was a 2*
Tyrese was a 3*
They're both getting major NBA minutes.
No clue why you'd focus on Prohm's only strengths and pretend they are weaknesses.
And even those groups seem to have a few guys that stick around as at least a solid foundation while the freshman figure it out.
You might want to look at TJs post season resume when you cite Prohm's lack of postseason success as a candidate. I'll do you a favor, 0-2 in the NCAA tourney, 0-1 in the NIT.
Not that we really need to be excited if we have to work through details to confirm that TJ at this point, is indeed a better candidate than Prohm was when he was hired.
I guess I will just decide to not be overly excited to be able to hire a guy that no other power conference team seems to be considering. Hell, his UNLV seat will be warm next year if they don't have a good year.
Hes a great recruiter I'll give him that, he's a horrible talent evaluator, Haliburton and Payne are outliers.
8 recruits in the last two recruiting classes that haven't contributed anything at this point or aren't even on campus anymore. I already mentioned guys like Lewis, Griffin, Long.
Who else besides Tyrese was an under the radar recruit that significantly contributed to the program?
Solomon Young is the only one you coukd remotely put in that category but hes been the same player for 5 years now.
I think some of that is getting two players who jumped out as NBA talents that left early, but some of it is not developing the other players.
There always seemed to be 1-2 players a year in the run with Fred that would make big improvements year to year. We were also constantly sprinkling in can't miss transfers who didn't need to improve because they had already shown themselves to be among the best players in their previous conference (Kane, Clyburn, Shayok).
So you'd have a player like Kane/Clyburn/Shayok coming in who you pencil in their high level of production from the old school, but you'd also have guys like Ejim or Naz or Thomas who would one season become remarkably improved from a previous season.
THT and Tyrese's short time was enough to build around if the other guys make more of those jumps in improvement. Before the injury Tyrese was basically playing the same way he is playing now last year and he's a top 30 guard playing basketball on the planet right now, top 100 overall player in the world with his PER between 40th and 75th in the NBA all season.
I look at Conditt and I see all the tools and skills. I think your example Young could have been a 2nd/3rd team Big 12 type player under a different coach by this senior year.
I don't think he develops players the way he needs to, I don't think he prepares the team between games and I don't think he's a good gameday coach without an NBA ready point guard running the team.
He has hated Prohm from the very start, and to his credit he's been honest about it.
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