I’ve never seen as many square peg-round hole pieces on one team before. Nor have I ever seen a coach so unwilling to change his style or not try at all to play to players’ strengths.
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Do you mean that we might not have beaten the two SWAC teams without him?
Yeah only way it could have been uglier is if we were just getting blown out night in and night out. Aside from TT x2 OSU x2 @KU and @ MS St i feel like our guys came out and competed each night. And some of those games were blowouts because of covid, too.
I'll throw in Iowa too
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The biggest problem csp had was all the new coaches in the Big XII are all better coaches than csp will ever be, and let leads you into a ZERO WIN Conference season.....
It may just be a LONG trip back to any kind of relevancy in the big 12....Come On Jamie get us a big time coach who can compete in the best MBB conference in this great country!
Hopefully just to pick up his box of stuff from Jamie. No way should Jamie wait until next week to make an announcement on Prohm's future.
The attempt disparity really is quite something. ISU just plays passively on offense, which gives a big edge to the defenders because they don't have to worry about getting fouls.
I think a lot of things went wrong for Prohm over not just this year, but the 2-3 years. I would say roster management, assistant coaching (delegation perhaps, I don't know) and talent evaluation were at the top of the list.
Some of this was just 'bad luck' (a weak excuse, yes), but most of it was his own responsibility.
I stand second-to-none in my disappointment and criticism of Prohm almost from his beginning here, but I also think a lynch mob mentality and too much glee in his leaving is a not good look for the fan base or future program. Whether is a "good guy" or not should not determine this -- if he was a douche, it still should not matter.; this is about us ISU folks now going forward.
Some of this was just 'bad luck' (a weak excuse, yes), but most of it was his own responsibility.
I stand second-to-none in my disappointment and criticism of Prohm almost from his beginning here, but I also think a lynch mob mentality and too much glee in his leaving is a not good look for the fan base or future program. Whether is a "good guy" or not should not determine this -- if he was a douche, it still should not matter.; this is about us ISU folks now going forward.
Remember when people thought Johnson was going to be a stud this year? That was funny.
I'm kind of torn on this. I do think we have some good pieces. None of them have been used correctly and Prohm certainly has failed to assemble a group of guys that fit a specific mold or style of play. It's a collection of skinny athletic dudes with actual basketball skills ranging from bad to raw. He has also failed a lot of these guys in their development as basketball players. Are guys like Walker, Dubar, and Blackwell actually any good? Has Prohm let down guys like George Conditt and Tre Jackson in terms of helping them improve the weak areas of their game? Would this team have looked any better with a competent point guard this year? I'm not sure there's a confident answer to any of these questions. Long story short, I guess I'm OK with whoever wants to come back and help the team out this year under a new regime. On a similar note, I don't think losing anyone from this team would be very detrimental at this point either.
"Glee in his leaving"... His leaving is hands down the best thing this program can do to get back on track. Fans have zero reasons to be happy with season the only hope we have is replacing Prohm. It is too bad he failed so horrendously here, but i will be happy when he is replaced, as should anyone be who wants us to succeed.
Hard to say on the freshman. Many freshman take some time to figure things out, but all across the conference there are freshman who came in ready to contribute, and we have a history of that happening at ISU as well. Many of these freshman weren't able to see playing time on the worst team in school history.
Yeah, hard to say if it is coaching or the players. KSU freshman looked lost earlier in the season but Weber got them to at least get better and win a few games.
There are only 2 coaches "newer " than Steve and one has over a decades worth of P6 experience on him. The other is Boynton who hired the #1 recruit in the country's brother as an assistant so he could secure his commitment.
Yeah, i dont want to be too hard on them, because history shows they could develop into good players, but chances of all of them developing into big 12 impact players is very low.
CycloneErik
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Skinny, semi-athletic dudes. Most of these guys aren't quick or savvy enough to get past a defender.
You nailed the skills part. Mix that all together with a standing-around style of play, and we're just so easy to handle.
Jackson was ok. He reminds me of a guy who would thrive in a Huggy ball/ press Virginia type of system where a lot of guards are used and defense is the emphasis.
My mind has gone this way as well. Kind of an indictment that they couldn't see consistent time or in Blackwell's case hardly any.
