Football coaches are typically the worst. Especially if they are 50+. Things aren’t like when I played but many still won’t teach the new tackling or blocking styles that helps avoid concussions. Still do the old hat on the ball.
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The problem isn't doing 90 degree squats, the problem is not compensating with weight reduction. Way too often guys are lifting a weight that's too heavy for them to lift with the correct form. If you are squatting 500+ 20 degrees from parallel you shouldn't be doing it while going 20 degrees lower. Certain joint angles can generate more force and that's not an optimal angle for force production.
The reason for parallel squats is to ensure posterior chain (glute and hamstring) engagement. Partials squats will keep a higher percentage of the load on the quadriceps muscles. While, in theory, partial squats may reduce stresses placed on the knees they an also lead to muscle tears and other injuries stemming from strength imbalances.
This is correct. In fact the guys that my kids lift with are absolutely "new school" and they essentially view a deep squat as a totally different exercise, but it most certainly needs to have an appropriate amount of weight
So they do lighter weights VERY deep. Then heavy weights at an angle well short of 90. Also compliment with other lifts like RDLs.
Also, I would put good money that knee injuries attributed to squats are typically due more to disproportionate strength and flexibility between quads and hamstrings. My opinion is also lack of hamstring strength is often the big limiting factor in transferring leg strength to speed.
Great post.
As you mention, those lifts shouldn't be viewed as the same and shouldn't be put in the same class. Deep squats are a great way to engage the posterior chain as well as committing proper hip hinge form/technique into memory. If you do a 90/squat with perfect form odds are you will naturally train your body to avoid compromising biomechanics, such as excessive forward lean and/or hip flexion (both can lead to back injuries). For the average Joe these lifts are more important because few Joes NEED (key word) to lift heavy; it's simply for bragging rights. Minimizing imbalances and injury prevention should be the key for this demographic.
Athletes (as you also mention) have an actual need to focus on raw strength improvements (heavier lifts) but also need to build endurance and power (speed). Having a well-designed routine in which the goal of each exercise is properly understood and implemented (at all levels) is paramount. Unfortunately there are many here (like myself) who grew up in a time where it was all about 'how much you could lift'. Thankfully we are getting smarter, coaches are getting smarter, and there is better research/information at our disposal.
HS early 2010-11, if you didn't have the correct form as @ZRF pointed out (including hitting 90) then the rep wouldn't count on max outs for it. I think we maybe had 1 knee blow out every year and that was mainly from a guy who already had issues/past injuries. the parallel squat actually brings more muscles into to help the knees stabilize when done properly. even with the other issues Doyle has had at Iowa with, their weight program was pretty amazing, and we used a modified version of that in HS.
I feel like the board is getting off topic. He sounds like a great pickup and hopefully we have a great recruiting class by our record we should
Nice effort, doubt it will work. Some of the skulls on this board need a not so gentle tap with a sledge to get the point.
Coach Doyle...thank you for posting on CF.So your saying you shouldn't squat until your kidneys explode..?
Is there a "squating form" forum that I can opt out of?
Username checks out.Back in my day we didn't use weights to squat, we lifted cars off the ground or cows.
Tipping cows really doesn’t count as “lifting”.Back in my day we didn't use weights to squat, we lifted cars off the ground or cows.
I like the lone Georgia Tech fan in there lol.
