No it's not. It's been argued ad nauseam for the last 6 years.
Considering you have been a member since 12' with only 65 posts. What happened, you woke up one morning and said "oh no"?
Like I said responding to your first post about your "points" having been hit around like a ping pong ball the last six years pertains to this post also. Regardless of who is on the roster.....since when have 23 and 26 win seasons ever been considered "underachieving" or "falling on your face" here at ISU? You know, you sound an awful like someone else I have debated.....maybe a different user? But I have time to waste this morning so what the heck.
So if you are serious about this "Hoiberg" fantasy, then like I have said to others.....now you are being subjective and it's easy to argue with that. Because you have to submit then that they would have easily won more that 23 games in 15-16 and 26 in 16-17 games. And I don't mean just a game or two. I'm talking pushing 30+ wins each year. And like others....you don't know that. You can't know that. No one can. But yet like many before.....here you are. And like many you never take into consideration they would have had to achieve those incredible 15-16 results without Naz. Yeah....good luck.
Also notice I left out any post season successes under CSP. Because of the UAB debacle under Fred, it has been concluded here on CF that hey...well...okay, anything can happen to anyone in the tourney. Well......cept for Steve's sweet sixteen run after that first underachieving season because ANY coach with ANY team could have made it with that draw. And oh......his loss to tOSU. Worse loss ever in tourney history. Totally unacceptable! So yeah, other than those two examples.....anything can happen to anyone.
And conference tourney hardware.......whatever? So they got hot over a weekend. Who cares! Never going to waste money on another weekend trip to KC and the Power @ Light, right? That's so 2015.
Barely a sniff, okay.
A rational person:
2015/16............good
2016/17............good
2017/18...........rebuild
2018/19............good
2019/20............bad
2020/21............bad/partial pass for protocols and restrictions. Everyone else who has only played 14 games by this time in February is.....why not Steve. Relax........it's just a "partial" pass.
So like I have said before....if your definition of "success" might be what some flowery future under Fred might have been......then in your eyes Steve has never had a chance. I loved me some Fred.....but that is a fantasy. And if you are straight with that fantasy, more power to you. I have no illusions. Steve hasn't been doing the job....................LATELY. If he is retained......I'm good. If he is not.......I'm good. Early in the year I would have argued.....not now. And I doubt Steve would either. So it's up to you, but maybe you might want to try and be rational with the past because none of it matters now. Unless your motive is to just rub dirt.
This is a lot to respond to.
-Because I don't post everyday makes my opinion invalid? Quit with the gatekeeping. I've been an everyday reader for a long time and I've supported Prohm in full up until fairly recently. So yeah, I did kind of just recently say "oh no".
-I could be wrong, but it seems like you're accusing me of having an Alt account? If so, lol.
-People have different definitions of success. As an earlier poster said, the differences we may have in how we view them don't make either of our views less valid. IMO, success is based mostly on how a season is finished (NCAA performance). I'd also put more weight on regular season conference finish than I would on B12 tourney performance. The B12 titles were GREAT and are absolutely a success that can be partly attributed to Prohm, but nobody really remembers those outside of our own fans. (Yes, right now I am going back on my earlier statement that Prohm "hasn't had a sniff of success". That was an exaggeration and I should have phrased it differently. My bad.)
-Your point about 23-26 win seasons being seen as a success... sure, but you have to admit that the standard for success was raised in the last decade. I'd like to keep it there. See above point about measuring success by postseason success. Again, everyone measures this differently.
-I think you are projecting the Fred stuff on to me. I am not a Fred Fantasizer (lol but I like that term). I didn't make a single Fred vs Steve comparison in any of my posts. The only thing I said was that Steve underachieved with Fred's players. I have no idea if Fred would have fared better.
My take:
2015/16............good, but I think most of us felt pretty sick after the performance vs. Virginia. I was at that game at the United Center and it took me a bit to get over it and look back at the season and realize it was a fun ride. I had high hopes man.
2016/17............decent. KC was great, but their ceiling was so much higher than a second round loss to Purdue. Having a single S16 after the last two years was tough to swallow. I base success off of the postseason, and by that definition I believe they underachieved.
2017/18...........get out of jail free card. tough to recover from that much loss.
2018/19............Failure. This is where we disagree the most. I really don't know how anyone could consider this season a success. To finish at .500 in B12 play, and then lay an egg against a bad OSU team in the first round with a roster as loaded as what we had was a MAJOR disappointment. Thinking back on it gives me gut rot.
2019/20............bad
2020/21............bad. Everyone is dealing with COVID. Look at Baylor. I don't give a partial pass. It's not like if they had had played those games theyd be a tourney team. See the SDSU game (Tre Jackson wouldn't have won that game for us.)
None of this is even mentioning the frequent in game coaching blunders, and WORST of all, the disappearance of Hilton Magic. The home losses are inexcusable and the apathy within the fan base breaks my heart. I was lucky enough to be a student during the beginning of the Hoiberg era and seeing HM rise from the ashes was spectacular. I missed one conference home game my entire time as a student and continued to make a few games a year in the years after. I don't believe HM is dead, it's just dormant and it can be brought back. We just need a new perspective in charge of the program to do that. I miss it so much.
(Braces for someone to call me out for being a student during the Hoiberg era and having it easy, or something. Yeah yeah. I get it.)
Cheers. Sorry for the long post.