Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[madguy30]

The Federal Gov't has ditched the Univ of Washington model in favor of one developed by the CDC. It shows daily deaths increasing over the month of May to a level of ~3,000 per day.

So....you could say we haven't peaked yet.

I thought this was fear mongering, or have they really taken this long to figure out the ramifications?

 

[cycloneG]

Asymptomatic is where the question really is. If we were in this situation and had a society who knew and was used to wearing them I’d maybe be supportive of a temporary requirement. As it is we have a society who isn’t used to it and uses them incorrectly. If people are going to use them correctly absolutely wear them any time you go out. I don’t think we are there.


Here’s a question for people. How many masks do you have? If you have a washable one how often are you washing it. If you use it right you shouldn’t be using it more than once.

Three washable masks that are washed after every use.

 

[isufbcurt]

Asymptomatic is where the question really is. If we were in this situation and had a society who knew and was used to wearing them I’d maybe be supportive of a temporary requirement. As it is we have a society who isn’t used to it and uses them incorrectly. If people are going to use them correctly absolutely wear them any time you go out. I don’t think we are there.


Here’s a question for people. How many masks do you have? If you have a washable one how often are you washing it. If you use it right you shouldn’t be using it more than once.

Imo anything that covers your nose and mouth is going to help to some degree. I am not advocating for everyone to wear N95 masks but everyone should be covering their nose and mouth whether it's with an N95, homemade, bandana, etc. it is going to help more than not covering at all.

 

[agrabes]

Asymptomatic is where the question really is. If we were in this situation and had a society who knew and was used to wearing them I’d maybe be supportive of a temporary requirement. As it is we have a society who isn’t used to it and uses them incorrectly. If people are going to use them correctly absolutely wear them any time you go out. I don’t think we are there.


Here’s a question for people. How many masks do you have? If you have a washable one how often are you washing it. If you use it right you shouldn’t be using it more than once.

Not necessarily true. The virus dies after a certain amount of time outside the body, varying based on the type of surface it's on. So, if you're taking the mask on and off multiple times per day then you should have multiple masks or wash between uses. If not, simply take it off without touching the parts that were in contact with your face and wait for the virus to die off before using it again. Only wash it if you feel its dirty like you would wash any other piece of clothing.

Now if you have an N95 mask or something with a filter, then that filter becomes clogged over time and has a limit on uses. But that's kind of a different animal.

Something to keep in mind is that it's pretty likely that unless you are a medical professional or other trained person, you aren't going to use masks exactly correctly. People are people, just because in Southeast Asia people are more likely to have worn masks doesn't mean they are all experts in the proper use of the masks. They may know a little more or be a little bit better, but as a whole population there are still going to be plenty of people who are using the masks incorrectly.

 

[isufbcurt]

But what if you're not comfortable?

Condoms weren't comfortable but I used them because I didn't want a kid or an STD.

 

[Clonehomer]

Condoms weren't comfortable but I used them because I didn't want a kid or an STD.

Yah but when you're at the store and the mask just isn't giving you the experience that you wanted from your trip, do you take it off and promise to hold your breath until you get outside? Inevitably, you just can't hold your breath that long and then the store owner gets really mad at you for breathing in their store without a mask on.

 

[madguy30]

Should I trust the United States’ numbers?

Nope, but there's no way China is only having single digit cases right now.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

This whole mask things reminds me of anti lock breaks. I remember there being fierce opposition from a lot of people in the "I've been pumping my breaks since I learned how to drive" crowd. The facts showed that they saved lives but you always had skeptics.


I'm convinced that 90% of the reason people wouldn't wear one is because they think it will make them look like a tool. I can't think of any good reason you couldn't sling one on for the 15 minutes you spend in the grocery store. I will admit that when I first started wearing them a few weeks ago, it made me feel a little self conscious.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Asymptomatic is where the question really is. If we were in this situation and had a society who knew and was used to wearing them I’d maybe be supportive of a temporary requirement. As it is we have a society who isn’t used to it and uses them incorrectly. If people are going to use them correctly absolutely wear them any time you go out. I don’t think we are there.


Here’s a question for people. How many masks do you have? If you have a washable one how often are you washing it. If you use it right you shouldn’t be using it more than once.

Why? If you are only using the mask every few days then by the time you wear it again any presence of the virus is dead.

 

[cycloneworld]

The Federal Gov't has ditched the Univ of Washington model in favor of one developed by the CDC. It shows daily deaths increasing over the month of May to a level of ~3,000 per day.

If that's true, we are being sold an even bigger bill of goods. Trump said last night that updated death projections are 75, 80, or 100,000 which seems way too optimistic based on current data trends.

But if this CDC model is close to accurate, we'll double the death toll within the next 30-40 days.

 

[isutrevman]

Asymptomatic is where the question really is. If we were in this situation and had a society who knew and was used to wearing them I’d maybe be supportive of a temporary requirement. As it is we have a society who isn’t used to it and uses them incorrectly. If people are going to use them correctly absolutely wear them any time you go out. I don’t think we are there.


Here’s a question for people. How many masks do you have? If you have a washable one how often are you washing it. If you use it right you shouldn’t be using it more than once.

Masks can be easily re-used. Either wash it after every use which kills the virus, set it out in the sun for an hour which kills the virus, or wait 2-3 days to wear it again which likely kills the virus. Most people would probably need 2-3 masks to make this work, depending on how much you need to go out.

 

[isutrevman]

If that's true, we are being sold an even bigger bill of goods. Trump said last night that updated death projections are 75, 80, or 100,000 which seems way too optimistic based on current data trends.

But if this CDC model is close to accurate, we'll double the death toll within the next 30-40 days.

Any prediction of deaths needs to have a "at a certain date" attached to it. 100,000 deaths by the end of May? End of June? End of the virus' existence?

 

[AuH2O]

I understand this, and this certainly makes containing the virus nearly impossible.

However, my understanding is that a large percentage of people are never getting sick from the virus. That shouldn't be possible. Unless it's a combination of variables or other factors. Unless someone can find some papers about other dangerous viruses causing no symptoms at all in some people. I know you can have carriers but they usually at least get sick, especially for more virulent diseases.

Asymptomatic carriers are well documented for viruses ranging from the cold to Ebola.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5830799/

 

[CloniesForLife]

Asymptomatic carriers are well documented for viruses ranging from the cold to Ebola.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5830799/

Argent is completely wrong about something. I am shocked!

 

[CycloneErik]

Condoms weren't comfortable but I used them because I didn't want a kid or an STD.

Comfort is freedom, comrade.

 

[GrappleCy]

If that's true, we are being sold an even bigger bill of goods. Trump said last night that updated death projections are 75, 80, or 100,000 which seems way too optimistic based on current data trends.

But if this CDC model is close to accurate, we'll double the death toll within the next 30-40 days.

The people who passed this weekend were people who got infected sometime around the end of March, when we had far fewer cases. Deaths lag infections by around a month because it takes a week or two to show symptoms and then another 2-3 weeks to pass (if you're going to, obviously most people don't and recover). Given how much the number of confirmed cases grew in April you'd expect to see deaths going up in May. Especially when you look at everywhere in the country outside of New York.

 

[bawbie]

108 new cases in the 77 opened counties today. That's an almost 14% increase from the previous total, a new daily high (I think)

The number of new cases in those counties is clearly not declining - per the Governors metrics at least several of those counties should move to the other category

Since April 30th (4 days of May) the following "opened" counties have at least doubled their # of cases:

Wapello
Crawford
Greene
Guthrie
Boone

 

[cycloneworld]

The people who passed this weekend were people who got infected sometime around the end of March, when we had far fewer cases. Deaths lag infections by around a month because it takes a week or two to show symptoms and then another 2-3 weeks to pass (if you're going to, obviously most people don't and recover). Given how much the number of confirmed cases grew in April you'd expect to see deaths going up in May. Especially when you look at everywhere in the country outside of New York.

Yeah, that makes sense. It also makes sense why Iowa's death rate is lower right now. But we didn't have a ton of March cases and things really started ramping up in mid-April.

 

[Acylum]

108 new cases in the 77 opened counties today. That's an almost 14% increase from the previous total, a new daily high (I think)

The number of new cases in those counties is clearly not declining - per the Governors metrics at least several of those counties should move to the other category

Since April 30th (4 days of May) the following "opened" counties have at least doubled their # of cases:

Wapello
Crawford
Greene
Guthrie
Boone

Meaningless without knowing number of tests.

 

[NorthCyd]

So....you could say we haven't peaked yet.

You can say that if you take the CDCs model as gospel. Deaths have peaked or plateaud in most places. I guess we'll see if that trend continues. I hope so.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936