And he's consistently looked better than Grill, Jackson, Griffin and probably Nixon when he has been given chances.
Is Lewis injured because
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As others have said, that's fine but just suspend him. If he's really in the doghouse why play him 2 minutes?
"Terrence, I'm doing this to teach you an important lesson-- that actions have repercussions unless we are in foul trouble."
Not sure I understand your point. The frustration for many of us is when he is given minutes he plays ok and at a higher level than Nixon and Grill. Ya he played against Florida A&M but the loss certainly wasn't the fault of any one player and actually I thought he played better than many of the others that played in that game. It seems like his play against OU and Auburn would earn him more minutes but then the next game he barely gets off the bench which is a reason for the confusion/dissatisfaction.
That's what we thought last year when Prohm refused to re-insert Wigginton into the starting lineup, despite THT not playing well, only to have Prohm admit after the season that he should have handled the situation better (in other words, replace THT with Wigginton).
Right now most fans believe playing Lewis over Grill, Jackson, Griffin or Nixon gives us a better chance of winning at the stats seem to back it up.
I know this has been posted by others and myself. I think to show the fans what they want Prohm doesn't need to come out and say WHY Lewis isn't playing, but suspend him. You see coaches do it all the time. To me, as stated by others, that is going to send more of a "message" then playing him 2 minutes here, 8 minutes there, etc.
The two situations are completely different. LOL at the notion of THT getting pulled out of the starting lineup...are you effing kidding me?
Yeah, we don't know the whole story but I assume its just a lot of little things that have added up.
The current stance isn’t helping him grow on and off the court. The current stance is just weird. It sends weird messages and it hurts the team.
Sometimes people need to hit rock bottom. Maybe If Lard had got cut he would have turned his life around and come back somewhere else. Then he’d have a degree. You saw that with Chris Allen and Korie Lucious when they came here. Izzo didn’t not care about them.
Let's be clear, Lewis has not gotten in any trouble off the court that we know of, and I don't think it is fair that Prohm''s EXTREMELY vague statements are making people assume that. He APPEARS to have a good attitude on the bench, and didn't Haliburton speak highly of him in am interview this season? It's unfair to a player to expect some sort of spark out of them in the last two minutes of a half. .....and then not again until God knows when. I have seen NOTHING from Grill this season, but he gets endless oppurtunities. I was not very impressed with Jackson until I went to a couple of games, I saw a lot of aggressiveeness, hustle, and toughness that didn't translate from my recliner. ...but I did not see the same with Grill.
No, Lewis won't solve our problems. .....but why can't he get a fair chance to try?
No, Lewis won't solve our problems. .....but why can't he get a fair chance to try?
Jesus now Prohm cares too much about his players. Seriously, you can make this stuff up.
Fair point....and you'd think it also could have ripple effects to the rest of the team. Meaning, I assume all the guys have each others backs...doing a clean "suspension" is better message, IMO, then doing a "i'm going to monkey around and mess with your head" type of message.
I could only imagine the reaction here is Lewis got suspended. People freaked out when it happened to Lard
Wigginton was pulled from the starting lineup, why is it laughable that THT would? He was playing better than THT by the end of the year, most of the season really, outside of 3-4 big games that THT had.
Most advanced stats suggest Wigginton and Lard were among the top 3-4 players on last years team. Lard had foul issues and apprent off the court issues. Wigginton had nothing like that, and was still benched after he returned from injury.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa-state/2019.html#all_per_poss_conf
Just because people think that he is not handling the situation appropriately doesn’t mean we are being stupid. I fully recognize that we don’t know the whole situation. Because of that I can’t say what the correct solution is. Maybe Lewis is going down the wrong path. Maybe he needs more punishment. Maybe he just doesn’t like his attitude. We don’t know what the right solution is but we can tell that the current situation is not the correct one because it’s been the same deal for 5 years. If it truly worked then we wouldn’t have to deal with it every freaking year.
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Prohm needs somebody to make an example of. I don't think he needs a reason. It's just a dumb coaching style.
That's my kindest take on it.
I know bball and football are two different animals (number of people, etc), but it SEEMS CMC has a pretty healthy culture of how to navigate discipline (if that's the issue), playing time impact, etc. If those are the issues, maybe Prohm needs to chat with CMC about this stuff? Again, I have zero idea why Lewis is getting this treatment, but if it's a bigger picture of how to manage playing best guys, discipline, PT expectations, maybe he could help.
Because, as an outside, it seems difficult to justify Caleb Grill's minutes vs Lewis'
Because, as an outside, it seems difficult to justify Caleb Grill's minutes vs Lewis'
Its not like our rotation is super tough to break. We play Caleb Grill, who's best quality right now is that he's a warm body. Lewis is better than him
FWIW --
I think Jacobson was the worst offender against FAMU.
19 minutes, 0/3 from three, only 2 points, 1 rebound, 1 turnover
That is not productivity. His complete collapse (not just regression, collapse) this season is an unheralded part of why we are frankly so bad right now.
Fifth-year seniors should be good players. Jacobson and Nixon are just not.
Lewis was not exactly good in that game either, though.
We basically only have two plus players right now.
That is not enough, and one of them is about to leave for the NBA.
Wigginton did play more minutes in the Big 12 and the postseason than Horton-Tucker. I assume Prohm's hands were tied on that one, however. I think he probably promised THT a starting spot during his recruitment, or at least heavily implied one, and he had to honor that to keep Simeon happy, which put him in a rough place. You were not putting NWB or Shayok on the bench, Haliburton was way too good not to have out there, and I do not think he wanted to play four posts. So LW was the odd man out.
I have so many thoughts. I have been at every home game this year except for Kansas (I was on a work trip, and it ended up being a blessing in disguise). I am going to go on a bit of a rant, feel free to ignore.
Thing one, I really like Prohm… as a person. And as a recruiter. I cannot, however, understand his coaching (or lack thereof) decisions 90% of the time.
Last night, on so many possessions, we did not make it more than 2-3 feet inside the 3 point line with the ball at any point. Several of those possessions, we did not even make it that far. One of those possessions was on what I think was Bolton’s second made three. He stood at the top of the key, waited for the offense to get set up, and with out a single pass, jacked up a contested three ball with 8 seconds left on the shot clock. He made it, and the crowd roared, but let’s not let that distract us from how terrible of a possession that was. Those points were not scored by coaching, but rather an individual effort.
With regards to roster management, I think he is woefully stubborn.
Terrance brings a lot to the court:
Willingness to go after boards (outrebounded by 11 last night). He is tied with Haliburton for highest rebounds per minute from a guard (Zion is higher, but listed as a forward) – with fewer opportunities than any other scholarship player.
Slashing ability – Key on a team that stands around the perimeter. Just a note – two of the three possessions last night that I watched specifically for this, Grill stood in the corner – AND LITERALLY DIDN’T MOVE. Did not take a single step. That is either Caleb not knowing what to do, or TERRIBLE coaching.
Steadfastness – Has stuck with the program when many other players wouldn’t have – and is getting passed over by players who are worse by both metrics, and the eye test.
Scoring – He is our second highest scoring guard in points per minute (if you don’t include Schuster). On a team that struggles to break 50 on any given night, perhaps adding some scoring wouldn’t be a bad idea.
Further, He is our highest guard in field goal percentage (if you don’t include Schuster), behind only Haliburton.
He is third in 3 point percentage (if you don’t include Steyer), behind only Haliburton and Bolton.
Last night, there were exactly 3 players who made more than 1 basket. Bolton, Haliburton and Conditt. Despite that, Conditt got fewer minutes than everybody EXCEPT Lewis and Grill. When we are getting annihilated in the post, does it matter who is getting annihilated? In that case, PUT IN SOME DAMN SCORING!
Not particularly Turnover Prone. He has the fourth best turnover per minute rating on the team, outside of walk-ons. Only Nixon, Grill (who doesn’t handle the ball at all), and Jacobson are better.
Given all of this, I have a few questions:
Thing one, I really like Prohm… as a person. And as a recruiter. I cannot, however, understand his coaching (or lack thereof) decisions 90% of the time.
Last night, on so many possessions, we did not make it more than 2-3 feet inside the 3 point line with the ball at any point. Several of those possessions, we did not even make it that far. One of those possessions was on what I think was Bolton’s second made three. He stood at the top of the key, waited for the offense to get set up, and with out a single pass, jacked up a contested three ball with 8 seconds left on the shot clock. He made it, and the crowd roared, but let’s not let that distract us from how terrible of a possession that was. Those points were not scored by coaching, but rather an individual effort.
With regards to roster management, I think he is woefully stubborn.
Terrance brings a lot to the court:
Willingness to go after boards (outrebounded by 11 last night). He is tied with Haliburton for highest rebounds per minute from a guard (Zion is higher, but listed as a forward) – with fewer opportunities than any other scholarship player.
Slashing ability – Key on a team that stands around the perimeter. Just a note – two of the three possessions last night that I watched specifically for this, Grill stood in the corner – AND LITERALLY DIDN’T MOVE. Did not take a single step. That is either Caleb not knowing what to do, or TERRIBLE coaching.
Steadfastness – Has stuck with the program when many other players wouldn’t have – and is getting passed over by players who are worse by both metrics, and the eye test.
Scoring – He is our second highest scoring guard in points per minute (if you don’t include Schuster). On a team that struggles to break 50 on any given night, perhaps adding some scoring wouldn’t be a bad idea.
- Bolton
- Conditt
- Schuster
- Young
- LEWIS
Further, He is our highest guard in field goal percentage (if you don’t include Schuster), behind only Haliburton.
He is third in 3 point percentage (if you don’t include Steyer), behind only Haliburton and Bolton.
Last night, there were exactly 3 players who made more than 1 basket. Bolton, Haliburton and Conditt. Despite that, Conditt got fewer minutes than everybody EXCEPT Lewis and Grill. When we are getting annihilated in the post, does it matter who is getting annihilated? In that case, PUT IN SOME DAMN SCORING!
Not particularly Turnover Prone. He has the fourth best turnover per minute rating on the team, outside of walk-ons. Only Nixon, Grill (who doesn’t handle the ball at all), and Jacobson are better.
Given all of this, I have a few questions:
- Why are his minutes per game lower than any other scholarship player at this point (if you take out the outlier game that he started)?
- Why is he trusted to start in the event of an injury, but to only see 2 minutes of game action last night?
- Why does her have the fewest played games of any scholarship player? He has played in 65% of games. Next lowest is 90%.
- Why is Coach Prohm consistently mismanaging rosters?
- When will Terrance leave to play for a coach that might give him an opportunity. If is does, I will thank him for his contributions, wish him the best of luck, and completely understand his decision.
