The Messandei death messed Grey Worm up, I didn't think it would go to the extent of killing Lannister soldiers by execution, but the scene where he took his shot at the Lannisters while he had it was not shocking to me.
Game of Thrones Season 8
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Right, which made intuitive sense at the time. But then the queen to which he'd been loyal forever was also murdered, and the argument is that he didn't kill Jon himself because he's trained only to take orders and never act on his own.
Except that at a recent pretty crucial moment he ignored orders and acted on his own. Thus the question about why he didn't just kill Jon too.
I don't remember Dany telling Grey Worm to stop if the bells were rung. It seemed like she had given him the orders as he described to Jon when killing the Lanister soldiers.
CycloneErik
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And, even if she had, he saw his leader firing away at the surrendered city. Pretty clear that she didn't intend for anyone to stop then.
Fair, but to that point, he did not act on his own. Or at least that is how I portrayed it. He had stopped and the fighting calmed until the bells started ringing, and once he heard Dany take off on Drogon and start burning everything, That was his queue that the fight wasn't over til all of her enemies were dead. He wanted to do it because of the pain he felt for losing Messandei, but needed that extra push to take him over that edge. Like I said earlier, I didn't think he'd go to the extreme of executing helpless Lannisters, but I did understand the steps to getting there.
Yep, I get it. And it's really not a huge deal, but it does seem to be another instance of a character acting a bit out of character in service of advancing the story to its completion.
Long story short: IMO it's fair to ask why Grey Worm just didn't kill Jon himself. Hell, in a regular length season maybe we get a scene showing Jon's capture or surrender.
But no big deal.
I guess I didn't take that as Dany agreeing with Tyrion, I took it as her confirming her orders to Gray Worm.
It's completely fair to ask why Grey Worm didn't kill Jon, and I feel like I gave a reasonable explanation as to why he didn't. Whether you choose to accept it is up to you. As you said - no big deal.
If anything, I took it as a sign to Grey Worm that what Tyrion said didn't matter.
I’d liken it to Walter White a bit. He started as a likable sympathetic figure (due to cancer and his initial motivations) and you still felt that way when he went far beyond what that justified (though it was a bit more clear that you shouldn’t).
So Bran was appointed for life? Then the great houses (whoever that is at that time) will pick the next “king”? Doesn’t that seem ripe for squabbles and rebellion?
What if they appoint someone who turns out to be terrible?
Seems tenuous at best. Especially when you get past the first generation of nobles. They’ll make it work because they chose it. But what about Gendry’s future son?
What if they appoint someone who turns out to be terrible?
Seems tenuous at best. Especially when you get past the first generation of nobles. They’ll make it work because they chose it. But what about Gendry’s future son?
All that was already happening. It might happen again as you described, but it's not like it will be worse than the old system. They might select someone who is terrible. They wont be worse than Joffery,
I would have loved to have seen Jon and Grey Worm duel.
When Viserys wielded a weapon in Vaas Dothrak he was a dead man by their law. There was nothing that Dany or anyone else could have done. It is why Drogo killed him with molten Gold, You cannot carry a weapon in the city, and to do it is punishable by death no exceptions.
All you are stating is Dany surviving against people who were trying to take her dragons or eliminate her.
If anyone who kills their enemies is capable of going Mad and burning entire cities you can extend this logic to a lot of characters, but saying Dany "took out" Viserys by having him wed Khal Drogo against her will is a real head scratcher. Viserys took himself out, or Ilyrio did it by Counciling him to sell his sister to a Dothraki horse lord.
I thought the show did a poor job of executing this Dany into a villain twist. I'm fine with her burning King's Landing, but there are ways it could have been done to make sense. As it is, they just did not sell me on it. There is foreshadowing of all characters being both good and bad, and I can see Dany doing it, just not in these circumstances.
If that is the standard of writing we are looking for, then well done I guess and they got the right guys to continue it. Game of Thrones was at least acted well. The guy who played young Vader ruined it for me. Just awful.
