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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Gordyo5, Jan 7, 2019.
Drogon: "Stupid sword chair stabbed me mom. ROOOAAARRRR!"
Spears cant cut through infinite plot armor. The fact they so gleefully stopped exploring anyone from Dany's circle perspective except their beloved Tyrion was disappointing. They could have had some conversations between Grey Worm and others where even he could have been concerned with Dany's state of mind and even his own. Just so many let downs imo to even count this season.
yes, Jon was a plot device not a character just like Dany. I watch the show this season and just wonder how stupid is this guy? Yes, Jon makes mistakes in the books, and ultimately pays for them with his life, but he is a smart, politically savvy strategist. He schooled Stannis on the North.
Did the Dothraki leave with the Unsullied?
This is my read on it too, and ultimately the show and story feels really nihilistic.
My question is actually how long Bran's rule lasts. I think it's less than 10 years.
1. Bran is an incredibly weak king. He has almost no claim to the throne (by Westerosi standards), he is unable to sire children, and apparently he's going to be a puppet ruler where Tyrion controls things, who is an unpopular guy with almost no power base since the entire Lannister army is decimated. Also, Jon didn't denounce his claim, he was punished, giving anybody wanting to challenge Bran's claim all kinds of ammo.
2. Dorne is probably EASILY the stronger power left in Westeros. I can't see them sitting there like you said.
3. Yara had a promise of independence. The Iron Born are not going to sit on that. Plus, there is absolutely nothing to stop them from reaving from the wall to Dorne.
4. For all we know the Dothraki are still there. That's going to go well. Probably the largest and most fearsome standing army in the country by a mile.
5. The Starks just basically rule everything? That's going to rub a lot of people the wrong way.
6. The Iron Bank is still owed a TON of money from the crown for the hiring of the golden company. The tax base of Westeros is basically destroyed... how is Bran going to pay that back...with Bronn as your master of coin?
7. Bronn is basically the ruler of a depopulated area? So the Lannisters just killed everybody in the Reach apparently.
I mean it's hard to imagine just how destroyed Westeros is right now outside of Dorne and maybe the Vale, however I have to assume most of the knights of the Vale were killed in the battle of Winterfell.
Was Dany burning the city or Jon murdering Dany the final "oh ****" moment the show spoiled from the books? (The other two were Shireen's burning and HOld the DoOR.)
Regarding #6 - I read a couple weeks ago that the debt of a kingdom only passes if an heir of the debt takes the throne. Since their is a new family ruling the debt is no longer there.
They left King's Landing at the same time but they are going their separate ways.
After thinking on it, I don't mind the ending but I hate how rushed everything was and how they cut out scenes that were assumed to happen.
Jon tells Bran to tell Arya/Sansa who Jon really is... scene change. No! Let us see Arya and Sansa's reaction.
Jon kills Dany. Drogon flies away with her body... scene change. No! Let us see Jon surrendering to Grey Worm.
Extending this series to 80 episodes would have been so much better.
I wonder if the Iron Bank can get any help under TARP. 2/3rds of the remaining Lannisters wiped out and the city of Kings Landing reduced to ashes. If that's not a troubled asset....
This thread is pretty much yours now. Good stuff.
That's where I'm at. I have no issue with how things played out, but wish they could have done it over the course of more episodes.
If/when GRRM finishes the books, I'm hoping this will be taken care of.
1. Bran was elected. No "claim" is necessary. Right? And did that dude know what was going to happen the entire time?! if yes, he knowingly let hundreds of thousands of people die.
2. Dorne getting cut out of the show for so long then randomly a prince is at the end scene is weird.
4. They left King's Landing. Maybe to go back to the Great Grass Sea?
5. GRRM was going to call the last book "A Time for Wolves" but changed it to "A Dream of Spring." Maybe to avoid the books foreshadowing the Stark's "winning" in the end.
Thanks. I couldn't remember if I saw them on the ships or not. Since the Dothraki won't follow a leader that can't ride a horse, I'm having doubts that they will back an elected king in a wheel chair whose 'brother' murdered their Khaleesi.
And Westeros seems to be a much easier place to live given the food supply. I'm not seeing their incentive to go back across the sea when they could just stay put and do Dothraki stuff pretty much unchecked.
Granted, I'm not sure how much of an impact they would have since I have no idea how many are left. The number is somewhere between 42 and 95,000 I think.
What about Gilly? What about Sam's unborn child?
Davos and Sam are the worst "spouses" in Westroes. Davos left his wife years ago and doesn't ever mention her, and Sam left his pregnant lady to be a Grand Maester? What the hell dudes?
His name is Jonwell Tarly and he's the heir to the Melted Throne.
So how do we all perceive Dany's "madness" now that we can look back on the entire season?
Because last week she looked insane. Like Mad Queen insane. And that might have been a bit forced or rushed but it was also foreshadowed with years of talk about the Mad King and gods flipping coins.
But last night she seemed pretty...rational. Obviously her choice to kill thousands of innocents in King's Landing was awful, but it sounded like tactical vengeance, deployed more purposefully then we'd been led to believe in the previous episode.
Last night she sounded more megalomaniacal, with an attitude of, "I want to build a good world for people. I know what's best for them, but if they don't like it I'll crush them anyway." Which seems different to me than being insane like her father.
Maybe I'm wrong. But looking back I think that's the type of subtlety that got lost in the speed of this season.