*** Official #19 IOWA STATE vs TCU Game(Day) Thread ***

[atlantacyclone]

Meh... it’s not like this team is bad by any standard. They had a high upside and pissed it down their leg....

 

[SpokaneCY]

huh???????

We beat Kstate last weekend.

That's beside the point rabblerabblerabble....

 

[FerShizzle]

Is the talent rated based on what you think it is or what experts think it is? We're going to the tournament and we'll exceed 20 wins but you're right - probably the worst team in the history of basketball.

Midol and a whine cooler might be your best options today.

Midol and wine coolers? I’m not the one acting bitchy here sweetie.

Why can’t people have a conversation about whether their coach is up to snuff? Why is that off limit? Go away if you don’t want to discuss. I’m just sick of this topic being off limits. Give facts about why your guys ISU good. I have seasons of data that point the other way.

 

[clonedlion]

Prohm definitely has issues like any coach. Honestly, my biggest concern and issue the offense. It's so bland and boring. Not saying he needs to invent some new explosive concept. But the offense we run to get things started is the same thing almost every time, and it's so easy to defend, especially when our fundamentals like screening and cutting hard off of screens is so bad. How many hand offs have we gotten stolen this year or disrupted with ease because we run the exact same set to get things rolling? We don't have much to create easy shots for our guys it seems. So that's why it literally does come down to making shots or not with this team. In the end, we have to start making some of these open looks, but some creativity would be nice.

But of course we can always dive deeper. Is it setting up the right guys for shots? Is he trying to make adjustments in order for these kids to be successful? The answer is no. They also play poor defense and no rebounding as of late. All of these points to failure on the court. You get paid to figure this out. I will disagree that this is the most taltented team ever at ISU, but far more talented than BAylor, TCU, yet get swept by both. Unacceptable.

 

[CyBobby]

This is stupid. If you consistently finish in 5th you’ve got the 5th best coach.

YA THINK!!

 

[CyGuy5]

Is it time that people here start placing some of the blame on Prohm? This is unacceptable

 

[clonedlion]

I’m pretty sure the plan was always to have THT starting. I don’t even know if they kept some of the two-big stuff from last year in the scheme for if Solomon was around.

IF anything, let THT be the 6th man. He is a pefect bulldozer to come in and give the team a spark. NWB should be sitting and Wigg should be starting as well.

 

[NENick]

I expressed concern a month ago

It really s all about you, isn't it?

 

[clone1990]

This. I don’t want to dump 9 years in on a guy and still be wondering if he a good coach or not.

When you under achieve and are getting paid millions, you should be criticized.

Yep, but be careful questioning the multi-million dollar coach on CF.

 

[NENick]

Bold Prediction:
Cyclones win (at least) 3 of final 4 regular season games. Go into Conference tourney with momentum.

 

[madguy30]

Bold Prediction:
Cyclones win (at least) 3 of final 4 regular season games. Go into Conference tourney with momentum.

I'm gonna pick 2-2 and the seismograph continues.

 

[jctisu]

But of course we can always dive deeper. Is it setting up the right guys for shots? Is he trying to make adjustments in order for these kids to be successful? The answer is no. They also play poor defense and no rebounding as of late. All of these points to failure on the court. You get paid to figure this out. I will disagree that this is the most taltented team ever at ISU, but far more talented than BAylor, TCU, yet get swept by both. Unacceptable.

I think we are agreeing? That's what I basically was getting at with my biggest issue. The rebounding and defense can be a coaching thing, but in the end, those two facets of the game are about effort and wanting it more. In the end it's that cut and dry. Maybe Prohm needs to do more to light the fuse and work to liven these guys up to play with that attitude on that end I don't know. Like I said, the thing that Prohm can control is the style of offense and flow of it as it pertains to how the game is going. I just don't see much in adjustments and throwing different looks or having bread and butter plays to create mismatches or easy buckets at the rim with the offense. That's why we rely so much on the three ball because we are a small-ball team yes, but watch other teams that play smaller. They still have great offense designed to create dribble penetration and allow for some easy buckets. TCU had many easy buckets in the two games we played against the. We rarely had that in the half court.

 

[FerShizzle]

This is the same **** as with Rhoads. When people started to criticize him it came with extreme blowback because he was very liked by a lot of the fan base. It took him blowing several games in close succession to finally reverse the tide. And now look where the football team is.

What is the breaking point for Prohm?

 

[clonedlion]

I think we are agreeing? That's what I basically was getting at with my biggest issue. The rebounding and defense can be a coaching thing, but in the end, those two facets of the game are about effort and wanting it more. In the end it's that cut and dry. Maybe Prohm needs to do more to light the fuse and work to liven these guys up to play with that attitude on that end I don't know. Like I said, the thing that Prohm can control is the style of offense and flow of it as it pertains to how the game is going. I just don't see much in adjustments and throwing different looks or having bread and butter plays to create mismatches or easy buckets at the rim with the offense. That's why we rely so much on the three ball because we are a small-ball team yes, but watch other teams that play smaller. They still have great offense designed to create dribble penetration and allow for some easy buckets. TCU had many easy buckets in the two games we played against the. We rarely had that in the half court.

Yes, we are agreeing. In every aspect, Prohm struggles against top level coaches in this conference. They use timeouts better, plays out of timeouts are more crisp, better offensive sets, better rebounding, etc. etc. Everything you expect to see out of a coach in order to win consistently at a high level is missing with this guy.

 

[Doc]

Midol and wine coolers? I’m not the one acting bitchy here sweetie.

Why can’t people have a conversation about whether their coach is up to snuff? Why is that off limit? Go away if you don’t want to discuss. I’m just sick of this topic being off limits. Give facts about why your guys ISU good. I have seasons of data that point the other way.

For me, it’s just hard to judge coaches. I think a college coach’s main priority should be to develop his players as people and players, followed closely by winning games. We don’t always know what is going on behind the scenes. If Prohm busts out some magic inbounds play in the tourney, I’ll forgive him for the poor ones during the season.

I prefer to bash refs . They have one job and they suck at it.

 

[Rogue52]

Listen, if you ignore OkState, Prohm is easily the least experienced coach in the league and it’s not even close. Perhaps it’s a wash with Shaka, but he spent his assistant career at the major level.

So, it’s not really that surprising that he gets out-coached from time to time. Luckily he’s kept recruiting at a high level. He needs to continue to learn.

That’s all we can hope for...

 

[madguy30]

This is the same **** as with Rhoads. When people started to criticize him it came with extreme blowback because he was very liked by a lot of the fan base. It took him blowing several games in close succession to finally reverse the tide. And now look where the football team is.

What is the breaking point for Prohm?

I'd say if this team crashes and burns and then next season is similar.

Not sure what to think...he does a lot of things on the grander scheme that are great.

 

[FinalFourCy]

You have to wonder who disagreed with that ?! Must be a democrat!

GTFO

 

[IcSyU]

This is the same **** as with Rhoads. When people started to criticize him it came with extreme blowback because he was very liked by a lot of the fan base. It took him blowing several games in close succession to finally reverse the tide. And now look where the football team is.

What is the breaking point for Prohm?

What? Rhoads didn't even compete the last 3 years he was here. Prohm has a tournament team. This isn't remotely comparable.

 

[FerShizzle]

What? Rhoads didn't even compete the last 3 years he was here. Prohm has a tournament team. This isn't remotely comparable.

Different standards for different programs and different sports.