****Official Class of 2019 Recruiting Thread****

[Cyinthenorth]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Wigginton will be the only one leaving early this year. Whether he should or not is a debate that could rage on for infinity. Personally I'm in the camp that thinks (knows) he's not ready for immediate minutes in the NBA. Definitely could be a 2-way guy though, even now.

 

[brokenloginagain]

THT at 21 in the latest espn mock draft is changing the odds of a THT return, IMHO. Givony doesn't make stuff up- he talks to everyone.

If THT is a likely 1st rounder, he's gone.

Man, that would be a bummer. I'd love for him to stay one more year and kill it for us.

 

[GetAwesome]

I recall laughing at the nonstop lottery pick talk for both Embiid and Wiggins during their short time at KU - maybe they were just overshadowed in my mind by the great all-around game of old man Ellis. Going #1 and #3 clearly means I clearly have no understanding of what NBA talent looks like.

The one-and-done lottery pick players can absolutely stuff the points column of the stat sheet, but often look confused by offensive schemes in college, and noticeably struggle with overall court awareness and making "the right pass/play". I would lump THT into this category at this point in career. In summary: THT is a Top 5 pick this summer.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I'm assuming that there's a difference in pay potential inside the lottery vs outside? Just curious if being outside the lottery/maybe first round might be a risk, where a return with expected improvement might put him in the lottery?

 

[LLCoolCY]

I'm assuming that there's a difference in pay potential inside the lottery vs outside? Just curious if being outside the lottery/maybe first round might be a risk, where a return with expected improvement might put him in the lottery?

The money is better in the lottery compared to later in the first round but the real "risk" line is first round and second pick line.
First round picks contracts are fully guaranteed thus allow for development and financial security. Second rounders can be negotiated to get some guarantees but that only happens for a handful of prospects. Since the investment isn't as significant a 2nd round pick the team career can be cut short just by circumstance and roster numbers if the player doesn't immediately show promise.

 

[Cydkar]

Is that even truly a concern?

To some people. Not me (and others).

 

[Cyclonepride]

The money is better in the lottery compared to later in the first round but the real "risk" line is first round and second pick line.
First round picks contracts are fully guaranteed thus allow for development and financial security. Second rounders can be negotiated to get some guarantees but that only happens for a handful of prospects. Since the investment isn't as significant a 2nd round pick the team career can be cut short just by circumstance and roster numbers if the player doesn't immediately show promise.

So at 21, I'm guessing the typical range/surprise factors very well could still put him in the second round.

 

[Sigmapolis]

They should just get rid of the second round of the draft by this point.

Have a first round of guaranteed contracts and let guys after that fall where they may *or* if not drafted, give them a chance to go back to college and play onward.

The second round does nothing for the NBA itself and creates a hellish limbo for good college players. Let a guy try to get drafted in the first round and, if not, let him decide if he wants to go overseas or go back to school. Getting drafted in the second round... frozen out of college yet not that likely to make the NBA... is worse than simply being an UDFA.

 

[Cyclonepride]

They should just get rid of the second round of the draft by this point.

Have a first round of guaranteed contracts and let guys after that fall where they may *or* if not drafted, give them a chance to go back to college and play onward.

The second round does nothing for the NBA itself and creates a hellish limbo for good college players. Let a guy try to get drafted in the first round and, if not, let him decide if he wants to go overseas or go back to school. Getting drafted in the second round... frozen out of college yet not that likely to make the NBA... is worse than simply being an UDFA.

Yeah, I agree with that, as long as they don't hire an agent.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Yeah, I agree with that, as long as they don't hire an agent.

Okay. An "attorney" then.

 

[isutrevman]

I recall laughing at the nonstop lottery pick talk for both Embiid and Wiggins during their short time at KU - maybe they were just overshadowed in my mind by the great all-around game of old man Ellis. Going #1 and #3 clearly means I clearly have no understanding of what NBA talent looks like.

The one-and-done lottery pick players can absolutely stuff the points column of the stat sheet, but often look confused by offensive schemes in college, and noticeably struggle with overall court awareness and making "the right pass/play". I would lump THT into this category at this point in career. In summary: THT is a Top 5 pick this summer.

I don't understand the THT projections because he doesn't fit the mold of most freshman that are drafted on potential. Embid and Wigginton had prototypical NBA height and were athletic freaks. THT is short for a shooting guard, with average athleticism at best by NBA standards. He has good length, his jumping ability is decent, but his lateral quickness is not very good, especially defensively. He gets to the basket with raw strength ad spin moves more than pure quickness. He's also shooting under 30% from 3. He's a pretty good ball handler and passer so I wonder if some teams see him as a big PG?

 

[Cyclonepride]

I don't understand the THT projections because he doesn't fit the mold of most freshman that are drafted on potential. Embid and Wigginton had prototypical NBA height and were athletic freaks. THT is short for a shooting guard, with average athleticism at best by NBA standards. He has good length, his jumping ability is decent, but his lateral quickness is not very good, especially defensively. He gets to the basket with raw strength ad spin moves more than pure quickness. He's also shooting under 30% from 3. He's a pretty good ball handler and passer so I wonder if some teams see him as a big PG?

He has exceptionally long arms, which helps.

 

[Bocy]

He has exceptionally long arms, which helps.

So do I. Dagnabbit; now you've got me wishing I wasn't so lazy in high school...

 

[isucy86]

LW could make an NBA roster on a team that has a non-PG as their dominant ball handler. A team like the Rockets. Having LW as a spot up shooter and dribble/drive guy would work.

I am not sure if LW comes back to ISU he would be our primary ball handler next year. So maybe his best development opportunity is G-League.

Also not sure Halliburton is that guy either running the half court offense. With his current shot release, I think Halliburton's best position is a traditional SF in the half court, but he is an elite ball handler in transition.

I would say THT is a year or two away from NBA depending on ability to make 3's. He needs to make closer to 40% to be effective at next level. Too many really tall guys who can jump out of the gym in the NBA. Long arms only help so much.

That said- some kids would rather play in Europe or D-League than go to school, so logic gets thrown out the window in some cases. (That is a general statement & not based on any ISU player).

 

[brokenloginagain]

LW could make an NBA roster on a team that has a non-PG as their dominant ball handler. A team like the Rockets. Having LW as a spot up shooter and dribble/drive guy would work.

I am not sure if LW comes back to ISU he would be our primary ball handler next year. So maybe his best development opportunity is G-League.

Also not sure Halliburton is that guy either running the half court offense. With his current shot release, I think Halliburton's best position is a traditional SF in the half court, but he is an elite ball handler in transition.

I would say THT is a year or two away from NBA depending on ability to make 3's. He needs to make closer to 40% to be effective at next level. Too many really tall guys who can jump out of the gym in the NBA. Long arms only help so much.

That said- some kids would rather play in Europe or D-League than go to school, so logic gets thrown out the window in some cases. (That is a general statement & not based on any ISU player).

I disagree with...all of that.

LW is light years away from an nba roster, THT has everything the nba is looking for, and Haliburton is our starting PG next yr.

 

[Hayes30]

LW could make an NBA roster on a team that has a non-PG as their dominant ball handler. A team like the Rockets. Having LW as a spot up shooter and dribble/drive guy would work.

I am not sure if LW comes back to ISU he would be our primary ball handler next year. So maybe his best development opportunity is G-League.

Also not sure Halliburton is that guy either running the half court offense. With his current shot release, I think Halliburton's best position is a traditional SF in the half court, but he is an elite ball handler in transition.

I would say THT is a year or two away from NBA depending on ability to make 3's. He needs to make closer to 40% to be effective at next level. Too many really tall guys who can jump out of the gym in the NBA. Long arms only help so much.

That said- some kids would rather play in Europe or D-League than go to school, so logic gets thrown out the window in some cases. (That is a general statement & not based on any ISU player).

You somewhat had me until you said Haliburton and SF in the same sentence.

 

[Cyclonepride]

You somewhat had me until you said Haliburton and SF in the same sentence.

Yeah, Tyrese is an interchangeable guard that can occupy slots 1-3 in a 4 guard offense.

 

[Psiclone]

If THT and Tyreese both come back next year, we would have three returning starters with those two and Jacobsen. He's only a junior.

And Solomon, former starter, who would be a junior eligibility-wise.

 

[MartinCy]

You somewhat had me until you said Haliburton and SF in the same sentence.

 

[Knownothing]

Wonder if he got that from this forum. If I was a kid I would always be reading what fans said about me. BTW Hi Tyrese keep up the good work if you are reading this.