Iowa State on the Field for the National Anthem?

[bringmagicback]

, get a good video camera and a scanner, and start showing up at police calls to document what happens.

might be some of the worst advice Ive ever heard. Dont do this.

 

[3TrueFans]

might be some of the worst advice Ive ever heard. Dont do this.

Yeah.....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...er-confusing-his-tripod-and-camera-for-a-gun/

 

[jbhtexas]

you're right...but that's not what you just were talking about.

I'm not sure what you are getting at...yes I am talking about it, but I am talking from a forensic perspective on what are and aren't successful protesting techniques, and not because I agree with Kaepernick about police violence.

 

[bringmagicback]

Also, using statistics a cop is more likely to get shot and killed than a black man is to get shot and killed by a cop. Also, black people are way way way more likely to get killed by a non cop black person than by a cop. Maybe we should kneel for that? Its like protesting shark attacks and ignoring cancer.

 

[3TrueFans]

Also, using statistics a cop is more likely to get shot and killed than a black man is to get shot and killed by a cop. Also, black people are way way way more likely to get killed by a non cop black person than by a cop. Maybe we should kneel for that? Its like protesting shark attacks and ignoring cancer.

Some people would choose to focus on keeping people safe from shark attacks and not focus on spreading awareness of cancer screenings though. Everyone has different issues they feel are important to them. That'd be kind of like saying we shouldn't focus attention on breast cancer since heart disease kills more people.

 

[bringmagicback]

Some people would choose to focus on keeping people safe from shark attacks and not focus on spreading awareness of cancer screenings though. Everyone has different issues they feel are important to them. That'd be kind of like saying we shouldn't focus attention on breast cancer since heart disease kills more people.

I agree.

 

[3TrueFans]

I agree.

Sweet! Want to get lunch?

 

[jbhtexas]

Also, using statistics a cop is more likely to get shot and killed than a black man is to get shot and killed by a cop. Also, black people are way way way more likely to get killed by a non cop black person than by a cop. Maybe we should kneel for that? Its like protesting shark attacks and ignoring cancer.

You are exactly correct, and this is a glaring hypocrisy in this whole thing. On the community level, black leaders are crying out for help. On the national level, any prominent black person who speaks out about black-on-black crime is immediately castigated. Just look at how Charles Barkley was skewered last month when he suggested that something needed to be done about black-on-black crime.

 

[CycloneErik]

An interesting development:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ravens-a...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[MeowingCows]

You are exactly correct, and this is a glaring hypocrisy in this whole thing. On the community level, black leaders are crying out for help. On the national level, any prominent black person who speaks out about black-on-black crime is immediately castigated. Just look at how Charles Barkley was skewered last month when he suggested that something needed to be done about black-on-black crime.

It's almost like our society has a general problem with crime that unaffected people don't want to care about or admit, regardless of race. Instead of addressing the crime problem, or the police brutality problem, or any problem actually related to this, we instead choose to attack the people bringing these issues to light: both Charles Barkley and Colin Kaepernick.

 

[Cat Stevens]

i get that, but the protest isnt black vs white as many people try to make it, its supposed to be something about cops (black white asian etc) being violent towards black people. And even though cops have shot more white people than black people this year (and every year Im guessing) its disproportionate to the overall population. However the

The issue isn't that protesting is disrespectful in itself. The issue is that a significant number of people believe that kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful.

It really comes down to a matter of practicality. If your means of protest involves something that isn't racist or evil, and your protest is perceived to be disrespectful by a significant number of people, your message is going to be lost in the chaos surrounding the protest, which is precisely what is happening now.

Rosa Parks' protest on the bus directly involved a racist practice, so it was easy to make the connection between her protest and racism. How does kneeling during the anthem correlate to police brutality or oppression? It requires the observers of the protest to make an indirect connection. IMO, Kaepernick is just using a really ineffective method to make his point.

And then, combine the above with wearing a Castro/MalcomX shirt to highlight oppression but not wanting to talk about Castro's oppressive rule, and wearing the pig cop socks and saying that it was only meant to point out the bad cops...as someone posted above, he's just not very good at communicating his point.

A new contender

 

[Cat Stevens]

Not that I think Kapernick has been flawless, but I think the point of his protest has been purposefully deflected and distracted from by the people uncomfortable with the message from day one. It's a lot easier to paint this as a protest against the country, and get real mad, than have an uncomfortable talk about racial inequality in this country.

And again I reject the idea of peaceful protest during the anthem as disrespectful. I don't believe that's an opinion either. Just a convenient excuse for that significant number of people.

He actually stated that the issues were not real. You can’t expect him to acknowledge this

 

[MeowingCows]

Sidenote, I can't wait to revisit this thread on Friday. If ISU wins tomorrow, it will be oddly silent. If ISU loses, large swaths of users will be returning to here to blame Lazard/Butler/Campbell for "distracting the team this week" or some other, similar bulls*** blame game.

 

[jbhtexas]

A new contender

Oh goodie, look who the cat dragged in...

 

[Cat Stevens]

Oh goodie, look who the cat dragged in...

Pretty much what I was thinking reading your scared white manifesto

 

[atlantacyclone]

I hope that the players leave this crap off the field. Winning and social justice football players don't seem to meet often...

 

[jbindm]

This has to have been the strangest week ever for CF. I know these conversations are important to have, but I'll be relieved to just watch some football for a few hours tomorrow night. This **** is exhausting.

 

[jbhtexas]

This has to have been the strangest week ever for CF. I know these conversations are important to have, but I'll be relieved to just watch some football for a few hours tomorrow night. This **** is exhausting.

Hopefully it will be enjoyable at the game. It remains to be seen what ESPN intends to do...

 

[bringmagicback]

hopefully whatever the team does its not seen on tv and not mentioned.

 

[isu2014]

I

No, I think people are just surprised at the number of passes he's dropped. Allen is a great kid, has great parents. If he expresses an opinion on this subject, I'm sure he's thought it thru.

Way to go full cynical.

I don't know whether to agree with this or disagree. I like what you said about Lazard and his friends. And it's true that most of the fans are surprised about his case of the drops.

However, the guy you quoted is completely right...it IS a little barbed jab that I've seen thrown Lazard's way a lot. They are just using it to belittle him.