That usually takes care of itself in this league. doesn't look like it's as down as the media wanted it to be.
***Post game thread- ISU vs Cincy***
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That usually takes care of itself in this league. doesn't look like it's as down as the media wanted it to be.
There are ALOT of reasons why we lost last night - poor coaching late, no flow on offense, no post presence, no rebounding, everybody on offense standing around most posessions...but the most maddening one to me is FREE THROWS. Bowie has a ton of heart and can be a beast on the boards, but for ****'s sake, just hit 75% even and we win that game in regulation
With the funk Naz is in I think most would agree. Young seeing some of Holden's minutes is likely as well.
18-12 squad isn't getting a 7 or 8 seed with our non-con schedule.
I think we're just running so much damn high pick and roll is because Monte is good at it and Prohm wants him to be a dominant offensive player like Georges last year or his PGs at Murray. I don't think that's going to work out. Matt and Naz aren't really taking the pressure off of him either.
Well we've gone into league play with a high RPI each of the last three years so we've been in good shape with an 10-8/11-7 record. Will need better than that this year to get anything better than an 8/9 seed.
We could if we pick up some big conference wins. The good thing about the Big 12 this year is that by the end of the year none of your conference losses are going to look that bad.
CycloneErik
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Even 33 or 50% would have won it in regulation. Really, one more free throw would do it.
At 9-9 you might have some good wins but you will either be swept by Kansas, WVU and Baylor or you will have some bad losses to the 8th, 9th and 10th place teams. I think if you want a 7 or 8 seed you will need a 10-2 non-conference and 10-8 conference record. 20-10 should get you to that number. At 19-11 you will be in as a 9-11 seed and IMO at 18-12 you are a play-in type of team at best.
This team has issues right now to be sure but, I still think a great season is in play if we can make a few fixes and adjustments. 4 keys to get the season back on track:
1) We must not play others teams style and tempo. This has been talked about a little but, not enough IMHO. This was a huge problem last light and we never tried to change the tempo of the game. We played the bearcats style and it cost us dearly. Prohm needs to work on getting the guys to play ISU tempo. Faster game = more shots, more shots = more made shots, more made shots = a win last night. More teams will to make us play a slow game, the key to the offence and the season is weather or not we allow it to happen.
2) Shot Selection: This is half on Prohm and half on the guys. Prohm had TO's to use and didn't, that's on him but, the guys have to "buy into" taking good shots and not settle for wild contested, low percentage outside shots, This team has to play differently than last years team and we need someone who will drive to the hoop. Until the guys figure that out, we will see bad offence and losses to good teams.
3) Continue the much improved defence: Love what we're doing on D and that will keep us in games all year long.
4) We must make Free Throws. 5-11 or 45% won't cut it and it needs to be addressed.
I still think this team makes the 2nd weekend of the dance and am looking forward to the rest of the season
1) We must not play others teams style and tempo. This has been talked about a little but, not enough IMHO. This was a huge problem last light and we never tried to change the tempo of the game. We played the bearcats style and it cost us dearly. Prohm needs to work on getting the guys to play ISU tempo. Faster game = more shots, more shots = more made shots, more made shots = a win last night. More teams will to make us play a slow game, the key to the offence and the season is weather or not we allow it to happen.
2) Shot Selection: This is half on Prohm and half on the guys. Prohm had TO's to use and didn't, that's on him but, the guys have to "buy into" taking good shots and not settle for wild contested, low percentage outside shots, This team has to play differently than last years team and we need someone who will drive to the hoop. Until the guys figure that out, we will see bad offence and losses to good teams.
3) Continue the much improved defence: Love what we're doing on D and that will keep us in games all year long.
4) We must make Free Throws. 5-11 or 45% won't cut it and it needs to be addressed.
I still think this team makes the 2nd weekend of the dance and am looking forward to the rest of the season
CycloneErik
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Pretty likely that we'll have a desperate need for wins in the Big 12 Tournament.
The multiple discussions on Monte are interesting and not sure any are totally on target. I mean, he's done so much for us, yet we keep looking for more. Is it his supporting cast? Or should he somehow be able to penetrate, dish, and/or get fouled more? I don't have any answers. I may be stubborn, but I refuse to think this group is selfish or into 'me' ball. I just think they're still trying to find 'their way' as a unit....whatever that is.
I'm not saying it will be desperate but if loss at Iowa and/or Vanderbilt then I think we have some issues. At this point it would not surprise me if Iowa beats us. I know everyone thinks the defense is great but teams are still getting plenty of open looks when we go to double team the post. IMO Iowa will be the second best offense we have seen all year and the first true road game of the season.
That's been good enough for a 3 & 4 seed the past two years. This isn't the early 2000's things work differently with the tourney now. The final record is basically meaningless.
Miami will be a far, far better win than Iowa. Count on it.
As a UC fan, I just wanted to say hats off to you guys. You held one of the better SF's in the country to a really mediocre night and caused the rest of our guards to play like dookie.
Evans came into the game shooting 60%. I have to attribute that to your defense.
I see a lot of people acting as though your offense is just horrendous, I don't think your kids forgot how to play offense, we were only giving up 50 sum-odd points a game coming in.
A bigger indication of why the game went the way it did is the rebounding numbers 46-34. When you don't have anyone in the front court over 6'7, it's going to be a tough night for you on the boards.
It would have been nice had we not put up the worst shooting performance of the season, but overall it was an exciting game. Best of luck with the rest of your season.
Evans came into the game shooting 60%. I have to attribute that to your defense.
I see a lot of people acting as though your offense is just horrendous, I don't think your kids forgot how to play offense, we were only giving up 50 sum-odd points a game coming in.
A bigger indication of why the game went the way it did is the rebounding numbers 46-34. When you don't have anyone in the front court over 6'7, it's going to be a tough night for you on the boards.
It would have been nice had we not put up the worst shooting performance of the season, but overall it was an exciting game. Best of luck with the rest of your season.
Unfortunately, those are the teams that are both the biggest wins we can get and the teams we are most likely to be swept by. outside of them I'm not sure who else is going to be able to get us over the hump. Texas is bad and everyone else is very much up in the air. The Big 12 isn't anything close to what it was the last two years so not beating anybody in non con really hurts.
Oh, and assuming we win out in the non-conference, we'd have a Vanderbilt win. Assuming that, I'd say 9-9 in the Big 12 puts us around a 6-7, 10-8 puts us around a 5-6 and 11-7 probably a 4 or solid 5.
