REPORT: Top 4 expansion candidates

[Jambalaya]

I lived down the road from CSU. Fine school but falls between UNI and Iowa State. I would say UNI has a better FB and mbb program

You fools that want to kick out Texas? They're not going to tolerate COLORADO STATE, an old WAC school, into the Big 12. They will be sniffing around the SEC and Pac 12 again--along with OU

Who the fk is making these decisions? CSU averages aound 28,000/game in FB. Their glory days in FB were back in the MID-90's.

Their mbb program has been to 1 NCAA tourney in like 65 years.

good gawd.....this is a joke. And because some of us want to win a couple more fb games---we risk the future by inviting 3rd rate universities

 

[Sigmapolis]

Get ready for all four of them. (no info here, just figured why not)

BIG XII NORTH
Cincinnati Bearcats
Colorado State Rams
Connecticut Huskies
Iowa State Cyclones
Kansas Jayhawks
Kansas State Wildcats
West Virginia Mountaineers

BIG XII SOUTH
Baylor Bears
BYU Cougars
Oklahoma Sooners
Oklahoma State Cowboys
TCU Horned Frogs
Texas Longhorns
Texas Tech Red Raiders

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I've read several times that the GOR for any league probably can't stand up to a lawsuit. I wouldn't count that as a big sticking point. If somebody wants out, they're going to get out

 

[MIClone]

I love the CSU mention. It's a good school academically and bring along a very nice market. It's also a relatively close proximity and would make BYU more likely. They will have an adjustment period after joining, but it won't take long after that influx of resources. I like it alot better than Cinnci or UCONN.

 

[Jambalaya]

I love the CSU mention. It's a good school academically and bring along a very nice market. It's also a relatively close proximity and would make BYU more likely. They will have an adjustment period after joining, but it won't take long after that influx of resources. I like it alot better than Cinnci or UCONN.

good gawd please stop

Average home fb attendance in 2015? .rounding down
UNLV 19K
CSU 24K
UConn 28K

Loveland/Ft Collins/Greeley/Denver loaded with pro sports fans, and tons of Husker fans.

CSU a BLIP on the radar..

Texas and OU are not going to tolerate turning the Big 12 into the old WAC Conference. This is a joke

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

agree CSU will never be in the big 12. I have friends that went there, I've visited the campus and Fort Collins many a times but they generally don't care about athletics. If we are to expand I like one of the 3. Cinci uconn or byu. I don't think 3 time zones is a big deal or stadium capacity. My only concern is tailgating in Provo or cinci for that matter. i suppose the tg scenes at some current big12 schools might not be much better tho

 

[Erik4Cy]

Get ready for all four of them. (no info here, just figured why not)

BIG XII NORTH
Cincinnati Bearcats
Colorado State Rams
Connecticut Huskies
Iowa State Cyclones
Kansas Jayhawks
Kansas State Wildcats
West Virginia Mountaineers

BIG XII SOUTH
Baylor Bears
BYU Cougars
Oklahoma Sooners
Oklahoma State Cowboys
TCU Horned Frogs
Texas Longhorns
Texas Tech Red Raiders

Works for me. Still hate that we didn't get Louisville. Memphis not being mentioned is interesting to say the least. There should be mutual interest there.

 

[Stormin]

agree CSU will never be in the big 12. I have friends that went there, I've visited the campus and Fort Collins many a times but they generally don't care about athletics. If we are to expand I like one of the 3. Cinci uconn or byu. I don't think 3 time zones is a big deal or stadium capacity. My only concern is tailgating in Provo or cinci for that matter. i suppose the tg scenes at some current big12 schools might not be much better tho

Can't imagine anyone wanting to go to a BYU Tailgate. Seriously. No alcohol or tobacco. Propane or wood pellet grills only.

http://byucougars.com/m-football/byu-announces-new-tailgating-options-2014-football-season

 

[CYCLNST8]

Take away TCU's football program. What have they got to offer?

Answer: no more than CSU, Cincy, or BYU.

Take the best of what's available and run with it. Hell, take four teams. A watered-down B1G is obviously thriving.

 

[Stormin]

Take away TCU's football program. What have they got to offer?

Answer: no more than CSU, Cincy, or BYU.

Take the best of what's available and run with it. Hell, take four teams. A watered-down B1G is obviously thriving.

You didn't read the thoughts of West Virginia President. Take 2 teams now. If ACC has issues then the Big 12 would be in a position to add more teams later. But we need 2 teams now to get to Divisions and a CCG.

 

[thatguy]

Take away TCU's football program. What have they got to offer?

Answer: no more than CSU, Cincy, or BYU.

Take the best of what's available and run with it. Hell, take four teams. A watered-down B1G is obviously thriving.

all that matters is football. So TCU has more to offer right now than ISU does.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

Can't imagine anyone wanting to go to a BYU Tailgate. Seriously. No alcohol or tobacco. Propane or wood pellet grills only.

http://byucougars.com/m-football/byu-announces-new-tailgating-options-2014-football-season

Charcoal CEO take someone's third wife?

 

[CYCLNST8]

all that matters is football. So TCU has more to offer right now than ISU does.

That's what I've been saying, yet everyone is in love with UCONN for some damned reason.

 

[kingcy]

Present plan includes the GOR given by Big 12 members. If those members leave the Conference retains their rights. The future plan would probably include remaining in the Big 12 with as many members left as possible and then get the best candidates possible to fill Conference slots. I am sure that Iowa State would try and get in the Big Ten if the Big 12 would break up. But doubt that we would be taken. No TV sets.

We do know that the options we had when the Big 12 was breaking up were not that great. We were members of the Forgotten Five. And we were planning on giving up whatever to keep the conference in play. Colorado was in a panic and that is why they bolted to the Pac 12. And probably wish they never would have left.

It is not about TV sets anymore. Cable viewership is going to keep going down. The next thing is alternative web based viewership, that people pay to the conference for. ISU has a fan base that will eat that up. Also ISU would bring viewers to the BTN. More people care about ISU than Rutgers. I am not saying ISU does go to the Big 10, but viewership wise, academically and geographic wish ISU is a good fit in the Big 10.

 

[Stormin]

It is not about TV sets anymore. Cable viewership is going to keep going down. The next thing is alternative web based viewership, that people pay to the conference for. ISU has a fan base that will eat that up. Also ISU would bring viewers to the BTN. More people care about ISU than Rutgers. I am not saying ISU does go to the Big 10, but viewership wise, academically and geographic wish ISU is a good fit in the Big 10.

Iowa State would definitely be a very good fit for the Big Ten. But it won't happen.

 

[cyclones500]

Get ready for all four of them. (no info here, just figured why not)

BIG XII NORTH
Cincinnati Bearcats
Colorado State Rams
Connecticut Huskies
Iowa State Cyclones
Kansas Jayhawks
Kansas State Wildcats
West Virginia Mountaineers

BIG XII SOUTH
Baylor Bears
BYU Cougars
Oklahoma Sooners
Oklahoma State Cowboys
TCU Horned Frogs
Texas Longhorns
Texas Tech Red Raiders

Although the stretched-geography still seems ludicrous, I could think of worse ideas than this.

Or maybe it looks more attractive because of your school-color-coding.
:smile:

 

[cyclones500]

Random notes, with high potential of redundancy/irrelevance:

* Obviously, adding WVU probably realistically locked BXII into eastward movement (nothing against West Virginia, it was the realism of the situation at the time). So short of P5-poaching, the choices are UConn, Cincy, possibly Memphis and UCF (considered a "forward-thinking" option, from what I gather).

* During Realignment Scare I, I thought going westerly made more sense, but I admit there probably were slim pickings, once Utah was off the table. I thought New Mexico was untapped territory, but never heard any serious support for a move that way. I saw potential of BYU & UNM if we went that direction — For west-of-Mississippi, sort of geographic "tweeners" amid Pac-12/Big12.

* On topic of OU bolting, are OU & Okla State still assumed to be a package deal? Does that in any way limit options (I couldn't imagine Pac-12 reject those twins, but would SEC be different?)

 

[CYCLNST8]

* On topic of OU bolting, are OU & Okla State still assumed to be a package deal? Does that in any way limit options (I couldn't imagine Pac-12 reject those twins, but would SEC be different?)

No; those two will end up joining the Confederacy. Pac 12 will take all four Texas schools, Nebraska will successfully lobby for the Kansas schools to join the B1G, and the ACC will add UCONN & the Mountaineers. Yay for super conferences.

I'd prefer the AAC over the MAC.

 

[cycloneworld]

I lived down the road from CSU. Fine school but falls between UNI and Iowa State. I would say UNI has a better FB and mbb program

You fools that want to kick out Texas? They're not going to tolerate COLORADO STATE, an old WAC school, into the Big 12. They will be sniffing around the SEC and Pac 12 again--along with OU

Who the fk is making these decisions? CSU averages aound 28,000/game in FB. Their glory days in FB were back in the MID-90's.

Their mbb program has been to 1 NCAA tourney in like 65 years.

good gawd.....this is a joke. And because some of us want to win a couple more fb games---we risk the future by inviting 3rd rate universities

CSU is basically the Iowa State of Colorado. Land grant, large enrollment. FAR from "third rate" (that's Cinci or Memphis). CSU is a better fit in the Big 12 than CU was.

I'm glad the people actually making the decisions here don't use the "well they haven't won much recently!" reasoning.

 

[cycloneworld]

good gawd please stop

Average home fb attendance in 2015? .rounding down
UNLV 19K
CSU 24K
UConn 28K

Loveland/Ft Collins/Greeley/Denver loaded with pro sports fans, and tons of Husker fans.

CSU a BLIP on the radar..

Texas and OU are not going to tolerate turning the Big 12 into the old WAC Conference. This is a joke

Take a look at Baylor's attendance for the majority of their time in the Big 12. Or KU's. Or TCU's. And CSU is building a brand new stadium.

Please don't tell me you are using "pro sports fans and tons of Husker fans" as real reasoning. CSU brings more to the table than Iowa State does (mostly due to the Denver market).