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In the post? I haven't watched a ton of Virginia, has Brogdon done much defending of other team's bigs for large stretches of the game?


Normally I dont believe he has, but usually when one guy gets going he gets the call. Did an effective job on Ingram at duke, although i know not a great comparison as Niang im sure has better post skills.. would you describe him as more of a stretch 4 being able to shoot as well as he does?
 

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Normally I dont believe he has, but usually when one guy gets going he gets the call. Did an effective job on Ingram at duke, although i know not a great comparison as Niang im sure has better post skills.. would you describe him as more of a stretch 4 being able to shoot as well as he does?

Stretch four, or point forward. Believe it or not, he's the point guard in some sets.
 

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Normally I dont believe he has, but usually when one guy gets going he gets the call. Did an effective job on Ingram at duke, although i know not a great comparison as Niang im sure has better post skills.. would you describe him as more of a stretch 4 being able to shoot as well as he does?

Georges is a stretch 4, but has good post skills and a sweet baby hook with either hand. Much to our chagrin, nearly every game for years an announcer has discussed him honing his post skills by playing against Nerlens Noel in prep school.
 

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First, welcome aboard. Second, Brogdon will have to be amazing to handle Georges one on one. If he is handling Georges out top well, Georges will take him down low. Every team has tried to handle him with help and he is still scoring at a high rate. Brogdon is undoubtedly a great defender, but Georges will still get his in that scenario.

He won't be able to guard Georges one on one, they would be insane to even try it. They won't though, they will double when necessary on the block.
 

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Normally I dont believe he has, but usually when one guy gets going he gets the call. Did an effective job on Ingram at duke, although i know not a great comparison as Niang im sure has better post skills.. would you describe him as more of a stretch 4 being able to shoot as well as he does?

Stretch 4 seems too limiting for Niang, because that kind of implies a guy who's just a spot-up, pick-and-pop big. Niang, not to go overboard on praise, is kind of good-to-great at everything scoring wise. He's great in the post with that almost-automatic jump hook, he's crafty driving the ball to the hoop, and he'll nail outside shots if you give him breathing room. Plus he's just an A-level passer. That's what makes him such a damn tough one-on-one guard. There are guys that could take away a couple of those things on their own, but I've never really seen one defender able to cover all of his offensive game.
 

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Everyone is going to pick Virginia because of one (or more) of the following:

ISU doesn't play defense
Virginia plays good defense
Virginia has quality depth
ISU has no depth
Virginia can score at will against any defense
ISU struggles to score against good defenses.

Essential Virginia will win this game unless they somehow give the game to ISU. Where is my paycheck for this top notch analysis which took me 2 minutes to write.
Is that you, Seth Davis?
 

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Normally I dont believe he has, but usually when one guy gets going he gets the call. Did an effective job on Ingram at duke, although i know not a great comparison as Niang im sure has better post skills.. would you describe him as more of a stretch 4 being able to shoot as well as he does?

I'd say he's a stretch 4 but he can also run the point. He really is a mismatch nightmare as most announcers describe him. He can stretch the floor by hitting 3's, but even if he's not hitting from outside he can draw defenders to the outside and then burn them to the hoop with his ball handling skills. If you put a smaller guy on him he can post him up and abuse him down low. He'll even post up bigger guys and use superior footwork to get a shot off. He's really a wizard with the ball.

As a UVa fan I'd be worrying about containing our other players. I don't think Brogdon or Niang will be stopped by either team this game.

What Perrentes, Gill, Morris, Nader, and Thomas do in this game will probably determine the victor.
 

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Morris - Perrantes
Thomas - Brogdon
Nader - Hall
Niang - Wilkins
McKay - Gill

Virginia has some size 1-5, but no giants, so they are similar to us in that regard. I like Thomas on Brogdon. From what I've seen, Brogdon doesn't have elite quickness, but is strong with the ball and a good shooter. To beat Thomas, you have to take him off the dribble. I feel like Thomas has the quickness to stay in front of him. I also think Morris can give Perrantes some issues as Perrantes isn't overly quick, but uses change of pace (much like Morris) to get to his spots on the floor.

UVA fans, feel free to rip that analysis to shreds as I admit I've only watched UVA a couple times and that was in the nonconference.
 

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He won't be able to guard Georges one on one, they would be insane to even try it. They won't though, they will double when necessary on the block.


yes we do trap the post. Ive watched a few Iowa St games and know Niang is a great player, prob having the best tourney of anyone offensively so far but i wouldnt underestimate Brogdon, hes a tough defender should be a great battle
 

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Traditionally teams that have frustrated Niang offensively are ones who have athletic and long players. Baylor is probably the best example of this, however he did pretty well against them this year, statistically speaking
 

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Morris - Perrantes
Thomas - Brogdon
Nader - Hall
Niang - Wilkins
McKay - Gill

Virginia has some size 1-5, but no giants, so they are similar to us in that regard. I like Thomas on Brogdon. From what I've seen, Brogdon doesn't have elite quickness, but is strong with the ball and a good shooter. To beat Thomas, you have to take him off the dribble. I feel like Thomas has the quickness to stay in front of him. I also think Morris can give Perrantes some issues as Perrantes isn't overly quick, but uses change of pace (much like Morris) to get to his spots on the floor.

UVA fans, feel free to rip that analysis to shreds as I admit I've only watched UVA a couple times and that was in the nonconference.



I dont see anything to crazy about this at all, good analysis. yes, UVA would be considered more of a long team defensively than a big team.
 

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Niang will get his offensively and will carry us on his back. Monte will be Monte.

Against these great teams, I feel like the contributions from Thomas, Nader, and perhaps Burton are the key to how far we go.
 

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Traditionally teams that have frustrated Niang offensively are ones who have athletic and long players. Baylor is probably the best example of this, however he did pretty well against them this year, statistically speaking

I think I've figured it out with Georges. A team needs to have people coming at him from angle with length and athleticism to affect him. If you don't have that, you just hope he is having an off day. I don't think that UV has a guy who can shut him done all over the floor by themselves (we haven't seen anyone do that) but when you have long athletic guys coming from other places, you can affect him.

I see them doubling immediately in the post and flying at him on the dribble. It will be really important to knock down shots early so that they cannot just collapse on him.
 

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I think the keys for Virginia winning this game is going to be getting back on transition D which we normally do a great job of doing, and then rebounding and limiting State to one shot per possession. With the style of ball we play Its going to be a close game down to the wire. If State gets hot from 3 you guys will win, but defensively we play physical and tend to force teams to really work hard for shots late in the clock which when it comes down the stretch can wear teams out. I think its gonna be a 3 or 4 point game that can go either way... Excited to see how it plays out
 

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