Sideline Rules (in KU/OU game)

[Cycsk]

Anybody know the actual rules for the sidelines in college basketball?

1. How much space should there be between the sideline and the scoring table?

KU's looked very narrow last night. It looked like it might have been 3 feet once upon a time, but now is much less because of the mounted ad screens.

2. How much space does a defender need to give an out-of-bounds player for the in-bounds pass?

In the back of my mind, I think it is 3 feet. Frank Mason even made reference to it in his post-game press conference (saying that the ref told him to stay back, but he didn't because he knew the ref wouldn't call it). I've seen refs make defenders get back (I think it was Hogue or McKay last year in the Okie State game near the SW corner after Hogue swatted a shot into the seats). Back in the day in Illinois high school, I think we even had a dashed line 3 feet in-bounds.

Here in the link to Mason's comments about 30 seconds in.

http://www2.kusports.com/podcasts/p...an/05/mason-graham-and-ellis-kus-ot-thriller/

 

[Cydkar]

The refs missed that. It's 3 feet and that part of the floor gave Buddy no room to be back farther. They blew the call

 

[Cycsk]

Not seeing an actual rule in the manual about the defender giving 3 feet.

http://g-macsports.com/custompages/Governance/NCAArulebooks/Basketball_Mens_Rule_Book_2013-2015.pdf

page 72-73.

However, the diagram does show that the sideline space should be 3 feet. page 21.

 

[boone7247]

Not seeing an actual rule in the manual.

http://g-macsports.com/custompages/Governance/NCAArulebooks/Basketball_Mens_Rule_Book_2013-2015.pdf

page 72-73.

Yean not sure their is a rule, but standard out of bound is 3 feet. The inbounder should be able to use the out of bounds line as a border to being guarded on the inbounds. But if there isn't sufficient space behind the the line then the ref should require the defender to provide the space on the court. The ref boned that one up, not anyone else.

Edit: Or I could be completely wrong, as there is no mention of the 3 foot wide out of bounds in the rules. Just the restricted area under the baskets. Maybe only a High School rule. But that is how I remember it.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Not seeing an actual rule in the manual about the defender giving 3 feet.

http://g-macsports.com/custompages/Governance/NCAArulebooks/Basketball_Mens_Rule_Book_2013-2015.pdf

page 72-73.

However, the diagram does show that the sideline space should be 3 feet. page 21.

Page 72, article 8, B says, "The designated spot shall be 3' wide, with no depth limitation"

Also, article 9, B says, "No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his person over the inside plane of the boundary line"

 

[Clonefan94]

I've never heard of an official 3 feet rule.

I don't know if or how it applies to college, but i know in my daughters games, you can crowd the line all you want, but you can't put your hands over the in bounds line. Meaning, crowing the line is fine, but your feet can cross it and your hands have to be straight up and down, any part of your body crosses the line and touches the ball, it's a violation.

I know it's been a big issue with my daughters teams, because some of these gyms she plays in, there is barely enough room for the girls to stand without putting her feet on the line, let alone worry about This kid basically standing face to face with you.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Page 72, article 8, B says, "The designated spot shall be 3' wide, with no depth limitation"

Also, article 9, B says, "No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his person over the inside plane of the boundary line"

I'd have to see it again, but it seems possible that Mason violated that plane in defending the inbounds. Impossible to tell that, and if the OU player had broken harder to the backcourt, we wouldn't be talking about this. Buddy could have made an easy lob to the backcourt.

Here's the play:

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...ll-frank-mason-forces-game-clinching-steal-vs

 

[JP4CY]

I really think that is Buddy would have really worked a fake throw, Mason would have fallen on him, creating a foul.

 

[3TrueFans]

I thought the defender just can't cross the boundary of the out of bounds line?

 

[Bigman38]

I could see if Mason started at 3 ft and crept in, but he started chest to chest with Buddy ignoring the refs request for 3 feet and then repeatedly hit his arms while he was trying to inbounds the ball.

Wouldn't be a big 12 basketball without some glaring mistakes by the stripes.

 

[WastedTalent]

One thing is for sure though, every Big 12 coach and ref saw that play, and it really shouldn't be an issue the rest of the season. In any similar situation, or anytime a player has to take the ball out on that narrow sideline, the coaches will be in the ear of the ref, making sure the inbounder has space to inbound.

 

[Doc]

Page 72, article 8, B says, "The designated spot shall be 3' wide, with no depth limitation"

Also, article 9, B says, "No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his person over the inside plane of the boundary line"

After seeing that last night, they should maybe think about adding some depth requirements with some special considerations for courts where it isn't physically possible. I think that play took away from the integrity of the game.

 

[BCClone]

Biggest issue to me was it appeared as though the inbounder was touched on the body. Any ball or body contact out of bounds is a T.

 

[3TrueFans]

 

[Cardinal2001]

Nice one, 3true.

How close does McKay get? I mean, let's examine the splinter in our own eye.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Well, that's definitive. And a game changer.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Nice one, 3true.

How close does McKay get? I mean, let's examine the splinter in our own eye.

He remains at exactly 36" at all times. Amazing, really.

 

[randomfan44]

Anybody know the actual rules for the sidelines in college basketball? 1. How much space should there be between the sideline and the scoring table? KU's looked very narrow last night. It looked like it might have been 3 feet once upon a time, but now is much less because of the mounted ad screens. 2. How much space does a defender need to give an out-of-bounds player for the in-bounds pass? In the back of my mind, I think it is 3 feet. Frank Mason even made reference to it in his post-game press conference (saying that the ref told him to stay back, but he didn't because he knew the ref wouldn't call it). I've seen refs make defenders get back (I think it was Hogue or McKay last year in the Okie State game near the SW corner after Hogue swatted a shot into the seats). Back in the day in Illinois high school, I think we even had a dashed line 3 feet in-bounds. Here in the link to Mason's comments about 30 seconds in. http://www2.kusports.com/podcasts/p...an/05/mason-graham-and-ellis-kus-ot-thriller/

There is no RULE that requires a player be given three feet. It is an option in gyms with limited space outside the sidelines that a referee can ask a defensive player to step back no more than three feet. The only RULE on inbounds for a defender is "The defender may not break the imaginary plane during a throwin. If the defender breaks the imaginary plane during a throwin, the defender’s team will receive a warning. Any subsequent violations will result in a team technical foul. If the defender contacts the ball after breaking the imaginary plane, it is a player technical foul and a team warning will be recorded. If the defender fouls the inbounding player after breaking the imaginary plane, it is an intentional personal foul, and a team warning will be recorded."

 

[isutrevman]

Biggest issue to me was it appeared as though the inbounder was touched on the body. Any ball or body contact out of bounds is a T.

This. He touched the ball and Hield several times before he threw the ball and I think even tipped it before it was out of Hield's hand for the steal. He was also stepping over the sideline. Basically daring the ref to make a call and he chickened out.

 

[keepngoal]

oops... phogallen says not possible.