The answer is simply no. And we turned the corner. The turn was right, we went left.
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The answer is simply no. And we turned the corner. The turn was right, we went left.
We have some irrational *** fans.
First, let's take a look at NDSU. They have won 25 straight games. At any level, that is an accomplishment. In that time, they have beat numerous FBS teams. They had Craig Bohl for the last 10 years, and hired within for their most recent coach. They've had continuity and consistency, and haven't had to spend off-seasons implementing new schemes, but rather can focus their time on execution and fundamentals.
Then let's look at our program. In the midst of a nearly complete overhaul on the offensive side of the ball with a brand new coaching staff. By midway through the first quarter, our two best offensive players were hurt. On defense, we were incredibly inexperienced in several positions. We started two new linebackers, two new safeties, and our d-line is thin due to injuries and defections. Again, we were going against an offense that's run the same thing for the last 10 years.
As for our players "quitting", I didn't see any of that. Show me one play where a guy didn't get great effort. I didn't see any. Sure, we had guys out of position and missing tackles, but that doesn't equate to lack of effort or quitting.
We got beat by a better team, in what was an atrocious situation in terms of matchups. If we can pull one off against KSU, we are 1 and 1 and that's about where we'd hope to be. If not, the train can go off the track quickly, but it's early to give up.
First, let's take a look at NDSU. They have won 25 straight games. At any level, that is an accomplishment. In that time, they have beat numerous FBS teams. They had Craig Bohl for the last 10 years, and hired within for their most recent coach. They've had continuity and consistency, and haven't had to spend off-seasons implementing new schemes, but rather can focus their time on execution and fundamentals.
Then let's look at our program. In the midst of a nearly complete overhaul on the offensive side of the ball with a brand new coaching staff. By midway through the first quarter, our two best offensive players were hurt. On defense, we were incredibly inexperienced in several positions. We started two new linebackers, two new safeties, and our d-line is thin due to injuries and defections. Again, we were going against an offense that's run the same thing for the last 10 years.
As for our players "quitting", I didn't see any of that. Show me one play where a guy didn't get great effort. I didn't see any. Sure, we had guys out of position and missing tackles, but that doesn't equate to lack of effort or quitting.
We got beat by a better team, in what was an atrocious situation in terms of matchups. If we can pull one off against KSU, we are 1 and 1 and that's about where we'd hope to be. If not, the train can go off the track quickly, but it's early to give up.
But it appears we've taken a big step back, especially if this season mirrors last year. The 3-9 season and a 20-pt loss to a Div 1AA team sucks but for me, its the trajectory of the program that is concerning. If we flop a 2-10 season on the board this year, fans should have major questions.
I agree wholeheartedly on the "players quitting" point. It's a terrible attitude to take, or something to say.
But otherwise
That puts it very, very well. We - Iowa State, a member of the Big XII conference, one of the power-5, in the 6th year under our current coach, for the second year in a row - got taken to the woodshed by a AA program in a game in which we were completely out matched and inferior.
I lived through the time when the only thing good about ISU football was tailgating (my childhood). Very rarely missed a game from the early/mid 80s to late 90's. It wasn't fun. The stadium was never full and fans expected nothing out of the game. The athletic department has done a lot of work to put those days behind them. I cannot believe that there are people here that are wanting concerned fans to accept it and just go back to those days.
Go ask people like my parents and the people who have been sitting with us for 35 years if they liked the time of showing up just to tailgate or the time when ISU is competitive and winning some games. My mom, dad, and most of our crew that have been together this whole time all cried when ISU won the bowl game vs Pitt in 2000. They are all good sized donors and I can guarantee none of them will accept "just show up to tailgate because that's who we are", ISU has asked them to step up with donations and they all have. And I can tell you right now after spending all day Saturday with them they are all very concerned.
Go ask people like my parents and the people who have been sitting with us for 35 years if they liked the time of showing up just to tailgate or the time when ISU is competitive and winning some games. My mom, dad, and most of our crew that have been together this whole time all cried when ISU won the bowl game vs Pitt in 2000. They are all good sized donors and I can guarantee none of them will accept "just show up to tailgate because that's who we are", ISU has asked them to step up with donations and they all have. And I can tell you right now after spending all day Saturday with them they are all very concerned.
Yep. He has. DMAC's biggest problems were declining crowds and dried up recruiting. If that happens, the same could happen.
All of last year and the beginning of this year have the makings to turn out like the Chizik years. Do you want to keep Rhoads if he has two consecutive years equal to Chizik's? Last year and this year ending at 5-19 looks pretty realistic at this point.
I remember Mac's last game against KU where we got absolutely drilled. No way there was more than 20K there after halftime - people poured out of the stadium. That was the end - people had lost faith.
We went 7-4 the year prior.
If this season goes anywhere close to last year (I'm hoping for 3 wins right now) - what do people think the Tech or WVU games are going to look like in late November?
What will season ticket sales look like next August?
Apples to oranges. It is insanely easier to turn around a basketball program than a football program. Also a lot easier to recruit 4-8 players a year than 20-30.
The reason the team folded is CPR is to busy yelling at officials. He has not control, he reminds of Mike stoops as a head coach. Both are good dcord's but terrible head coaches. To Emotional, need to be calm and cool as a head coach. He starts yelling at officials first thing when they arrive in Ames.
Did I hear the explanation correctly when they came back from halftime.
That the replay official said that the hit was in essence ok. But because the CALL was targeting, and there was contact to the head with the shoulder - he was forced to uphold the ejection.
So in one breath - they say it was an ok hit, but the rule forced him to eject?
Did anyone else hear that remark?
You had me confused there for a second, I thought you meant his actual last game, and I was thinking...but he already 'got resigned' a couple weeks before that, what was there to stay excited for? Looking at the schedule, you mean the last game before he got resigned.
Expectations does not equal owed. But that's cool if you want to quote my one tongue-in-cheek sentence to discount the rest of my post.
I heard that second hand. That Cotton-Moya acted appropriately but unfortunately even though Cotton-Moya shied away from contact the momentum of the receiver carried him forward and his helmet came in contact with the shoulder pad of Cotton-Moya. So even though it was the receiver's momentum that carried him into Cotton-Moya the Official upheld the ruling on the field. BS call. Definitely impacted the game. As it was our safety getting sucked in that caused the problems with the big plays.
I meant his the last game v KU. Nov 4th-ish. 2 or 3 weeks before the final game against Mizzou (the infamous - "we're sorry we called holding against you Gary - love the BigXII" game)
I'm not sure if it was that week or the one after where he "resigned".
Point being - it was over and Mac was done that day against KU. I was at the MU game as well - and it had a respectable attendance - mostly because of senior day and sending Dan off. But it was also pretty good weather as I recall.
Those last two games this fall likely aren't going to be as they are later.
yeah - I didn't get that either. The purpose of the replay is to determine whether the ejection is warranted. I don't get how one says the play was ok except for the call that was made.
I'm not even sure the officials understand what targeting is, and I don't think I do anymore either. Players lower their heads all the time and take shoulder hits to the helmet, and targeting is rarely called. Moya turned his head to avoid helmet on helmet contact, yet gets the call and worse yet, ejected. To me the key thing was he intentionally avoided the helmet to helmet contact, and that was clear on the replay. It's a judgment call and I've seen calls and non-calls that vary wildly, but they should be able to get it right on replay. I taped the game and both tv announcers thought the call would be reversed, and when it wasn't, they just said "wow".
