RIP, Veishea
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It was pretty clear when they assembled the task force members that this was the intended result. Knee jerk + a sham task force to create some cover for it.
Keep guessing. I actually went back and looked at the VEISHEA thread on here before the riot. A lot of people on here were joking about the riots. What did I say regarding it? On April 8th 3:48pm:
So get out of my life.
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The first car flipping was right across the street from Welch Ave Station. I stayed right there as everyone ran down Welch. Thanks
Well, 80' if you walked in a circle 25.5' in diameter. Distance is a factor of direction....
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EDIT. I was mistaken on my distance. he actually said 80 YARDS away, not feet. Yet somehow "literally right next to the first car flipping"
Yep, that's a mom, right there....now, you need to work in "turning this car around right now" and "don't make me come in there" somehow.
wink: You're right, though.
I was at that hunt street party. Got funneled down to Welch, and was going to hit up a bar. As I was walking down Welch, the car got flipped next to us and they wouldn't let me into Welch Ave Station so I stayed there. But this ain't a court case and you ain't no judge. You can hate me all you want, which you do but whatever.
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You're right, I'm not. I'm just a farm kid who knows bull**** when he smells it. And you screaming your head off, and tossing blame around for the untimely demise of VEISHEA, when you were closer to being responsible to the event than almost anyone who didn't actually tip a car, well that absolutely reeks of bull****.
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Guilty by association is just a lovely thing. But love how an Admin and Global Mod will pick personal fights on this site.
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DERP. Nobody's modding you. We're having a discussion on the topic that we disagree on.
You, yourself, opened the doors to this by posting your VEISHEA activities on this site, back in April. You were fine with everyone knowing about it then, but now that your posts contradict your current narrative, they're suddenly out of bounds? We happen to disagree on this topic, but it's not personal.
He's absolutely right. Just because he's a MOD he shouldn't point out your hypocricy? Whether you choose to believe it or not the numbers added by onlookers gives power to the mob mentality. A mob that outnumbers police 10 to 1 generally won't do everything that a mob that outnumbers police 20 to 1 will do and a mob that out numbers police 50 to 1 will generally feel they can get away with things that they wouldn't be comfortable doing outnumbering police 20 to 1. Like it or not all of the onlookers are contributing to that mob mentality and feeling of safety in numbers.
You brought the issue of who was to blame up by pointing at the administration; Janny didn't.
What about when her friends come over for a birthday party and 2 friends break the toy and the other 18 friends are acting normally? Do you kick out the two breaking toys or do you cancel all future birthday parties? That's a more accurate analogy.
I've bolded parts as to why I think this was a bad decision. drunk college kids have now ruined a 100 year tradition that brought back alumni and molded future ISU students. why not eliminate the drunk college kid part while retaining the part catering to kids and alumni. It's almost like they didn't even try to make that happen.
There are no contradictions. There wasn't a mob when 5 guys flipped the car across the street from Welch Ave Station. I was there when it happened and stayed up by Welch Ave Station as everyone ran. But you can keep nitpicking at my story all you want. There have been no lies. If you want an extremely detailed story, I'll come down to Welch and literally reenact what I did.
I disagree that it's a more accurate analogy. The toy was also given to the two friends who broke it. There was one toy, given to all 20 kids. Two kids broke it. Over and over, despite me trying to fix it in-between each time. That truly sucks for the other 18 kids, but I'm not going to take my time teaching someone else's brats over and over again to leave crap alone, and make the further mistake of FUNDING this "teaching moment." Apparently the group as a whole can't handle the toy, so we move on. Perhaps peer pressure will teach the two little ****heads to stop breaking shared crap.
I feel bad for the current students, but this just kind of reminds me of when you have to put the family dog to sleep. My family would come up for it in the 80s. It was stil pretty impressive when I started as a freshman in '89. When we came back in '94 it was already a shell of it's former self.
It it just seems to me that the time had come to finally pull the plug, it was never going to improve.
It it just seems to me that the time had come to finally pull the plug, it was never going to improve.
The problem as I see it: one of the pro-VEISHEA arguments running through this thread is "Now there will be riots because there is no VEISHEA," which can be simplified to "Riots because VEISHEA." Whether you enjoyed legitimate VEISHEA activities, or just got drunk and stupid; whether you hated the riots, or tolerated them, or made excuses for them, or participated in them, the mere idea of rioting became part of VEISHEA. To anyone outside of the ISU community it was even more so. It got pretty embarrassing for this alumnus. The right decision has been made. Good riddance.
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