Jake Knott suspended for PEDs.

[DeereClone]

I never bought the "I didn't know it was banned" explanation with any PED users and I don't plan on starting with Knott. As a professional athlete you just have to know what's going into your body.

This.

Most guys are juicing. Most guys know how to get away with it. When they get caught, they blame it on the manufacturer. Rinse, clean, repeat.

I don't even take the apology seriously when they blame it on the manufacturer, it is really an insult to our intelligence as fans. We know better, just admit you tried to cheat to get ahead and apologize for that.

Don't get me wrong here, I still love JK and hope has a successful career.

 

[Mr Janny]

While I tend to agree with "you need to know what's going into your body", unless you make your own supplements from raw materials you grow and produce yourself you can't 100% know what's going into your body. Absolutely he needs to be more careful about what he's taking, but no one can be 100% certain.

And one major difference is he owned up to it.

Not making excuses and I agree with the suspension. Just saying you can't be 100% certain of what you're taking.

I'm pretty sure the NFL provides a hotline that players can call to check to see if supplements are okay or not. If he didn't call, it's on him. Even if he did call. If they didn't expressly approve that particular supplement, then it's on him. No two ways about it.

 

[Clonefan32]

It can be an easy excuse, but it can also be a legitimate one. What if Oscar Meyer started putting steroids illegally into its hot dogs and didn't include that on its label?

He admitted it was from a supplement. With something like a supplement, I imagine there are multiple people on the Eagles' staff that he could say "hey, can you make sure nothing in this is banned?"

 

[00clone]

Philadelphia Eagles ‏@Eagles 5m LB Jake Knott suspended without pay for first four 2014 regular season games for violating NFL policy on performance enhancing substances.

Your Fred Dancing signature gif looks a little out of place below this post.

 

[DeereClone]

It's actually pretty easy. Just because what is listed on the label may be totally within legal product to take, all it takes is one tainted bottle of legal supplements to show a positive test for PED's. These supplement manufacturers produce many different supplements, some legal and some illegal in different sports. It isn't that far fetched to think items can get a little mixed up and cross contaminate each other.

I would think as a multi-million dollar entity, these NFL teams would be able to pay a manufacturer a premium to get legal stuff in, that they know is 100% clean, and give it to these players for use.

 

[cybsball20]

That's a well crafted response by the PR folks in his agency. He won't be suing anyone because he knows full well what he took, as did Tyler Sash and he knows he got busted.

 

[Cyclonin]

It's actually pretty easy. Just because what is listed on the label may be totally within legal product to take, all it takes is one tainted bottle of legal supplements to show a positive test for PED's. These supplement manufacturers produce many different supplements, some legal and some illegal in different sports. It isn't that far fetched to think items can get a little mixed up and cross contaminate each other.

There is definitely some truth to this, but in that case, those supplement manufacturers need some sort of control to make sure stuff like that doesnt happen.

 

[djcubby]

There's a ton of competition in the sports supplement market. If one company can add a little extra "juice" to their product so the average person can get better results, and they can get more sales, why not try? They don't make money from pro athletes, they make money from average Joe's like you and I who want fast results.

 

[00clone]

It's actually pretty easy. Just because what is listed on the label may be totally within legal product to take, all it takes is one tainted bottle of legal supplements to show a positive test for PED's. These supplement manufacturers produce many different supplements, some legal and some illegal in different sports. It isn't that far fetched to think items can get a little mixed up and cross contaminate each other.

Soo...kinda like the allergen warnings on foods: "this product is manufactured using equipment that is also used to produce products with banned stuff and may contain trace amounts of banned stuff"

:wink:

 

[swarthmoreCY]

not necessarily. Labeling laws for supplements have room for some weaseling. Words like "spices" "natural flavors" and "artificial flavors" can be very vague and are perfectly legal.

Yeah, this type of thing does not surprise me at all. He could have bought some post-workout protein drink from a new manufacture or brand which had something in there that no one could know. Taking any supplement is taking a risk, but it is a risk they all take. Very easy to happen to someone even if they have taken all means to know what is suppose to be in that supplement.

 

[Clonefan32]

There seem to be two thoughts at play here:

1) That a product was mislabeled and/or cross contaminated and Jake, despite doing his due dilligence, unknowingly took an illegal substance; or

2) An often injured, undersized player trying to find his way in the NFL took an illegal substance, got caught and is now trying to put the PR spin on things.

I really like Jake Knott and will continue to support him, but you tell me which of these two makes more sense...

 

[swarthmoreCY]

There seem to be two thoughts at play here:

1) That a product was mislabeled and/or cross contaminated and Jake, despite doing his due dilligence, unknowingly took an illegal substance; or

2) An often injured, undersized player trying to find his way in the NFL took an illegal substance, got caught and is now trying to put the PR spin on things.

I really like Jake Knott and will continue to support him, but you tell me which of these two makes more sense...

Knowing the supplement industry, #1 without question.

 

[WhatchaGonnaDo]

Soo...kinda like the allergen warnings on foods: "this product is manufactured using equipment that is also used to produce products with banned stuff and may contain trace amounts of banned stuff"

:wink:

I'm allergic to nuts. If I followed all the warnings I would probably starve. Not kidding.

 

[Clonefan32]

Knowing the supplement industry, #1 without question.

Then why aren't more players testing positive for PEDs...

 

[isufbcurt]

There seem to be two thoughts at play here:

1) That a product was mislabeled and/or cross contaminated and Jake, despite doing his due dilligence, unknowingly took an illegal substance; or

2) An often injured, undersized player trying to find his way in the NFL took an illegal substance, got caught and is now trying to put the PR spin on things.

I really like Jake Knott and will continue to support him, but you tell me which of these two makes more sense...

Well knowing the party involved and knowing how the supplement industry works (as another poster mentioned, highly competitive looking for a leg up on competitors with "the same" product) it's an easy one for me.

I don't consider a shoulder injury to be often injured. More of one big injury.

 

[ianoconnor]

I would think as a multi-million dollar entity, these NFL teams would be able to pay a manufacturer a premium to get legal stuff in, that they know is 100% clean, and give it to these players for use.

Agree. These teams should be paying a dietician to provide an inventory of approved supplements that the players can choose from. Open up a team "store" where the players can meet with the dietician amd pick the approved supplements they want. Doesn't seem that hard.

 

[Cyclonin]

I found this pretty funny:

PlannedSickDays ‏@PlannedSickDays 11m
Jake can use his four weeks to work on his next project, Dash of Knott

 

[DeereClone]

Yeah, this type of thing does not surprise me at all. He could have bought some post-workout protein drink from a new manufacture or brand which had something in there that no one could know. Taking any supplement is taking a risk, but it is a risk they all take. Very easy to happen to someone even if they have taken all means to know what is suppose to be in that supplement.

Why the heck would a professional athlete take a supplement from a new and unproven manufacturer? That makes no sense.

 

[CTTB78]

Soo...kinda like the allergen warnings on foods: "this product is manufactured using equipment that is also used to produce products with banned stuff and may contain trace amounts of banned stuff"

:wink:

What these 'warnings' really mean is-- "It is too expensive for our company to have plant equipment that is dedicated for one particular allergen. So, since we have to use equipment that produces products with multiple allergens, and we don't clean the equipment good enough to remove all of those allergens after production is completed, our lawyers force us to put these statements on our labels thinking it will keep us for getting sued when someone has an allergic reaction when consuming our products."

 

[Clonefan32]

Well knowing the party involved and knowing how the supplement industry works (as another poster mentioned, highly competitive looking for a leg up on competitors with "the same" product) it's an easy one for me.

I don't consider a shoulder injury to be often injured. More of one big injury.

This still doesn't really answer anything for me. If it is such a common issue to have supplement manufacturers slipping in banned substances, why are more people not testing positive for PEDs? Any way you spin it, I can't see how Jake wasn't taking something that was, at a minimum, questionable and that obviously other people weren't taking.