True. Its also not that far fetched to think the players actually take PEDs and hide behind the fact that the NFL can never release what they tested positive for.
Jake Knott suspended for PEDs.
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True. Its also not that far fetched to think the players actually take PEDs and hide behind the fact that the NFL can never release what they tested positive for.
Why would it? No one is suggesting every supplement label is not accurate, but that it is likely that if you tested every supplement, you would get several tests that deviate from their listed ingredients. Probably about the same amount of positive tests you see in leagues.
For example, there was a pre-workout drink that high schoolers would buy at GNC that tuned out you would test positive for Adderol.
I don't see how it is so hard to grasp that these guys take steroids. Kids at my high school took them, kids at Iowa State take them, players at Iowa State take them, I have family members that ran professional track and they said everyone took them (and 98% of the time knew how to hide it).
So why wouldn't a guy who has the potential to make millions of dollars take them to try to get a leg up on the competition? Especially when the penalty for it is only 4 games? Seems like an easy trade-off if the PEDs help him get a permanent spot on a team.
So why wouldn't a guy who has the potential to make millions of dollars take them to try to get a leg up on the competition? Especially when the penalty for it is only 4 games? Seems like an easy trade-off if the PEDs help him get a permanent spot on a team.
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Owning it means you realized you took a banned substance and turned yourself in. Is that what JK did or did he pi$$ dirty and just decide not to appeal?
Oh, I know what they are...more saying that'll be the next place they show up is on supplement packaging, preventing them from getting blamed/sued when athletes blame tainted supplements.
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Take a step back and look at how far fetched this concept is. The Eagles are a multi-million dollar organization with thousands of dollars invested in each player, including Jake Knott. They have, undoubtedly, strength and condition and dietiary people on staff who can tell a player what to take and what not to take. Also, they can determine what brands are trusthworthy and what are not. To suggest that he did all of his due dilligence and still wound up unkowingly taking a banned substance just doesn't make sense. I'm not real up on the supplement world, but I just can't imagine that a reputable manufacturer that knows it's products will be used by professional athletes would allow banned substances into its products.
Also, if you look at NFL players that have been suspended, it's typically the Jake Knott and Tyler Sash's and not the Adrian Petersons. It's not that hard to fathom that seldom used, largely disposable special teams players would try to push the rule to gain an advantage.
Because they are professional athletes. They are always trying the latest and greatest things aimed to help performance. Also, it would not have to be a new manufacture, but a new product that had changed their formula.
The bottom line is that it is highly believable that by looking at the label even an industry expert or NFL PED expert would have thought it was fine to take. It is also very believable there are athletes knowingly taking PEDs because they know the testing will not detect it.
Exactly. You don't risk 25% of your NFL salary on a supplement you bought from GNC without doing all of the research of what in the supplement.
Again, players can blame over the counter supplements, adderall, etc without being questioned because per the collective bargaining agreement, the NFL cannot disclose what the athlete testing positive for.
AND, the FDA sends out Warning Letters all the time for dietary supplements that contain illegal drugs.
See, I just don't believe this. Knott is making nearly 500k this year. If you account for 20 games including preseason, that's 100k he's lost out on due to this mistake. If you have 100k riding on only ingesting allowable substances, you're either making damn sure what you are taking is illegal, or you are going to roll the dice because you feel the benefit of the competitive advantage outweighs the potential harm. I just refuse to believe that a reputable company who knows it products will be used by professional athletes would slip in a banned substances without clearly marketing it.
i think people pushing the "you don't understand the supplement industry" argument are trying WAY too hard to not have to believe Jake could have done something wrong.
I'm also willing to bet that the NFL PED experts do quite a bit more than just read the label to make sure something is ok for the athletes to take.
Can we at least agree that the supplement industry for frat-boy doing deadlifts at the gym and professional football players are different? I don't doubt if you walk your *** into a GNC and grab some supplement's there may be some substances in the supplement that aren't listed on the label. But when you are dealing with millions, if not billions, of dollars on the line, I don't believe for a second that teams aren't watching these supplements like a hawk. You seem to assume that the Eagles just say "just read the label, if you don't see anything banned you will be fine." I'm sure they have trusted manufactureres, products they know are legal, etc. If you take a substances that your team and/or the league hasn't fully vetted, that's on you.
These suppliment companies walk right into the locker rooms and hand suppliments to guys. They don't have to go to the store and buy them or get them from some schmo off the street. Companies WANT guys to use their stuff and go through the right channels all the time. There is no reason for someone NOT to use an approved substance.
This really sucks but I can't say that I hold it against him. In his position as an undersized player living on the fringe of the roster it makes sense that he would do anything to give himself a competitive edge, no matter how slight that edge may be. He's fighting for his job and his career at this point and lets face it, PED's are rampant in the NFL even though they don't carry the same stigma that they do in the MLB. It's unfortunate that he was caught and I really hope that he can bounce back from this and maintain his career in the NFL. Give 'em hell, Jake. You've still got my full support.
I don't have much of a dog in this fight - it doesn't really affect the quality of my life one way or the other whether Jake Knott is a vicious roid fiend or an alien forcibly injected it into him or whatever other possibility may exist.
But it's at least plausible to me that this was an act of carelessness and not intended maliciousness. Not that it *really* matters - the consequence is the same, and he will pay it.
Bottom line is someone on staff knows what stuff to take and what stuff not to take. If the supplement industry is as inept as you make them out to be, I could build an empire in a year by making supplements that NFL teams could depend on to be clean and charge a major premium for it.
After all, these are just good ole boys making honest mistakes getting fooled by these dishonest supplement companies, right?
