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To be fair, I saw that part of the game. Mrs. Velo was watching it and rewound it for me so I could see the whole thing. In one view it looked totally like a classic CC flop. But in another view it was pretty clear that the bigger player double hip checked her pretty hard and she legitimately went down.

I don't think it is at all crazy that Clark got a tech there. The foul had been called and it was likely going to be a flagrant. Retaliation is going to get you a tech. Also, as long as you are a hot head, people are going to provoke you trying to get the best player on the team ejected. Keep your cool if don't want it to continue. Just like if a football team knows a RB is prone to fumbles he is going to have people trying to strip the ball on every carry until he gets it cleaned up. Or if you are a really bad FT shooter they are going to foul you and send you to the line turning it into virtual turnovers until you improve your game. Don't let your hot head be your weakness if you want it to stop.

I thought the tackle at the end was stupid. You are up by 17 with less than a minute left in the game. Just stupid to tackle a player in that situation. Either let her have the layup and you take the win or wrap her up and hold her up rather than throwing her to the ground. If she just wraps her up and maybe whispers that she is a dirty ***** in her ear it is a common foul and you can laugh all the way to the locker room after celebrating the win in front of your fans.

Most of all I am disappointed that there wasn't audio of that fracas. There was a more talking than punches thrown. It would be interesting to hear if anyone got creative in their smack during that.
I mean the girl Cunningham wrapped up and drug to the ground (Sheldon) is the same one that 'aggressively' fought through a screen to injure her ankle back in May. Maybe a bit of what goes around comes around, especially in a low-cost situation.
 

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To be fair, I saw that part of the game. Mrs. Velo was watching it and rewound it for me so I could see the whole thing. In one view it looked totally like a classic CC flop. But in another view it was pretty clear that the bigger player double hip checked her pretty hard and she legitimately went down.

I don't think it is at all crazy that Clark got a tech there. The foul had been called and it was likely going to be a flagrant. Retaliation is going to get you a tech. Also, as long as you are a hot head, people are going to provoke you trying to get the best player on the team ejected. Keep your cool if don't want it to continue. Just like if a football team knows a RB is prone to fumbles he is going to have people trying to strip the ball on every carry until he gets it cleaned up. Or if you are a really bad FT shooter they are going to foul you and send you to the line turning it into virtual turnovers until you improve your game. Don't let your hot head be your weakness if you want it to stop.

I thought the tackle at the end was stupid. You are up by 17 with less than a minute left in the game. Just stupid to tackle a player in that situation. Either let her have the layup and you take the win or wrap her up and hold her up rather than throwing her to the ground. If she just wraps her up and maybe whispers that she is a dirty ***** in her ear it is a common foul and you can laugh all the way to the locker room after celebrating the win in front of your fans.

Most of all I am disappointed that there wasn't audio of that fracas. There was a more talking than punches thrown. It would be interesting to hear if anyone got creative in their smack during that.

I really didn't see her do much other than the instinctive reaction anybody would have after getting poked in the eye then the person who poked you in the eye came up and bumped you rather than let you have some time. That was before Mabrey pushed her and Mabrey was coming from almost behind her.

To me technical fouls aren't for instinctive reactions. If you asked me "Did Clark shove or push or bump or push back?" I think I'd have to honestly say she didn't even push back. They just pinballed her around and she got a tech for it. It's probably the first one of these exchanges where I felt like she didn't "have it coming" even slightly and if she did flop it was smart to flop because the other team (multiple players) looked like they were in out of control jealous rage.
 

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I mean the girl Cunningham wrapped up and drug to the ground (Sheldon) is the same one that 'aggressively' fought through a screen to injure her ankle back in May. Maybe a bit of what goes around comes around, especially in a low-cost situation.
Yea I'm pretty on board with Cunningham on that one. If the refs aren't going to manage the game the Fever players are going to have to police it and that is how it will get done. It's not good for the game but neither is endless cheap shots on the player that draws all the eyes to the league.
 
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I really didn't see her do much other than the instinctive reaction anybody would have after getting poked in the eye then the person who poked you in the eye came up and bumped you rather than let you have some time. That was before Mabrey pushed her and Mabrey was coming from almost behind her.

To me technical fouls aren't for instinctive reactions. If you asked me "Did Clark shove or push or bump or push back?" I think I'd have to honestly say she didn't even push back. They just pinballed her around and she got a tech for it. It's probably the first one of these exchanges where I felt like she didn't "have it coming" even slightly and if she did flop it was smart to flop because the other team (multiple players) looked like they were in out of control jealous rage.
It's creative to say that she didn't get bumped to the floor. It is also creative to say that she didn't even push back.
 
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I mean the girl Cunningham wrapped up and drug to the ground (Sheldon) is the same one that 'aggressively' fought through a screen to injure her ankle back in May. Maybe a bit of what goes around comes around, especially in a low-cost situation.


From what I am told they got that girl Cunningham to protect Clark and fight for her. Basically a WNBA version of a hockey good. Like a Tye Domi type but for womens basketball. If they are going to fight each other every night I might actually watch womens basketball. That sounds fun.
 
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It's creative to say that she didn't get bumped to the floor. It is also creative to say that she didn't even push back.

I genuinely can’t even be sure she pushed back other than the slightest reaction that’s impossible to control by an human with healthy reflexes.

The correct call is probably a flagrant and an ejection with no foul on Clark but they wanted to look fair instead of all the calls going against Sun. 99.9% of players would have reacted as CC did to the eye poke and bump by the eye poker or more likely far worse and that’s a sign it’s a very stupid tech. Its reflex and didn’t escalate situation at all. Jealous rage player with history of jealous rage not involved in play at all is what escalated it.
 

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Yea I'm pretty on board with Cunningham on that one. If the refs aren't going to manage the game the Fever players are going to have to police it and that is how it will get done. It's not good for the game but neither is endless cheap shots on the player that draws all the eyes to the league.

Yeah, you sort of need to take that one in the context of what else has been happening. Last year it was the Sky mugging Clark with Reese egging them on with smirks and high fives. This year it appears to be the Sun.

When the Fever plays the Lynx there will be good and hard defense but likely no cheap shot. It all comes back to the individual coaches and their culture.
 

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Yeah, you sort of need to take that one in the context of what else has been happening. Last year it was the Sky mugging Clark with Reese egging them on with smirks and high fives. This year it appears to be the Sun.

When the Fever plays the Lynx there will be good and hard defense but likely no cheap shot. It all comes back to the individual coaches and their culture.

Lynx don’t need to resort to rage because on any given night they have best player anyway. Same way Liberty real stars go back and forth with her like LeBron and Durant do. Some of these teams have no player on Clark, Phee, Stewart, Wilson level.
 

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Yea I'm pretty on board with Cunningham on that one. If the refs aren't going to manage the game the Fever players are going to have to police it and that is how it will get done. It's not good for the game but neither is endless cheap shots on the player that draws all the eyes to the league.

If that's the way WNBA games are going to reffed then you're forced to do it. There has to be some sort of payment for your superstar taking cheap shots.
 

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there were a number of events in the game (I only saw the low lights). The foul where CC got raked in the face was legit, her reaction was not a surprise ( would like to know just what she said) and then Marbrey's reaction was typical of her if you watch much WNBA. The later action was because the officials let the game get out of control. After the shove event the officials should have told both benches next one and people are out of the game. This kind of action brings some people to watch because they want fights but as someone who loves the game of BASKETBALL it ruins it for me. This is one reason I am not a big fan of the NBA as there is way to many plays where there are fouls that are not called.
 

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there were a number of events in the game (I only saw the low lights). The foul where CC got raked in the face was legit, her reaction was not a surprise ( would like to know just what she said) and then Marbrey's reaction was typical of her if you watch much WNBA. The later action was because the officials let the game get out of control. After the shove event the officials should have told both benches next one and people are out of the game. This kind of action brings some people to watch because they want fights but as someone who loves the game of BASKETBALL it ruins it for me. This is one reason I am not a big fan of the NBA as there is way to many plays where there are fouls that are not called.

Calling a tech in CC on that play they were going nuts on her is just insane I’m 100% certain no player could have restrained much more.

I will say when CC taunting their bench afterwards on the made 3 was an uncalled clear tech so it evened out. The reason you can’t T her up on that play though is because they had already gone so light on Sun emotional outbursts all game.
 

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From what I am told they got that girl Cunningham to protect Clark and fight for her. Basically a WNBA version of a hockey good. Like a Tye Domi type but for womens basketball. If they are going to fight each other every night I might actually watch womens basketball. That sounds fun.

NBA has been my favorite sport entire life outside ISU fandom.

I have to say right now regular season wnba is probably more entertaining than regular season nba. Some of it is the way shorter season but some of it is these players on the bad teams seem primarily motivated by hating Clark. The players on the good teams (Lynx, Liberty, Aces) seem motivated by winning a title.
 

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Lynx don’t need to resort to rage because on any given night they have best player anyway. Same way Liberty real stars go back and forth with her like LeBron and Durant do. Some of these teams have no player on Clark, Phee, Stewart, Wilson level.
100%. I know the default answer still seems to be A'ja, but IMO Napheesa is clearly the best player in the league so far this season.
 
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100%. I know the default answer still seems to be A'ja, but IMO Napheesa is clearly the best player in the league so far this season.

She was clearly best player in playoffs last year and this year regular season I think it’ll be coin flip her or Clark.
 

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I think the WNBA players need pro wrestling style names. Was there any basketball played during this "game"?
Dirtying the game up with all the physical BS is the only way Connecticut can hope to keep games close. Take the other team out of any kind of rhythm and try rattling them with rough stuff. It's what they have to do because they don't have the talent to compete. Howard said after the game that they knew this was how the Sun were going to play.
 

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Not saying anything new here, but this rough and goonish play taking over the WNBA is turning it into a joke, like "Slapstick" era hockey or 1980s Detroit Pistons. I was starting to tune in -- now I'm tuning right back out.
 

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Not saying anything new here, but this rough and goonish play taking over the WNBA is turning it into a joke, like "Slapstick" era hockey or 1980s Detroit Pistons. I was starting to tune in -- now I'm tuning right back out.
It's like watching a daytime soap opera...something you never want to do.