The Minnesota way around the smoking ban

[keepngoal]

Saying they cant smoke in a restaurant or bar is not.

we will have to disagree then.. as I see it as removing freedom.

IMO, it will be a sad day when Iowa 'adopts' this law. And I or anyone in my family doesn't smoke!!!

-keep.

 

[cycloneworld]

Really? And that stuff is affecting me directly how?

Millions of people throw away batteries, that is not good for the environment and in turn, not good for you.

There is a road in front of your house has cars driving on it...should we regulate those? Because the stuff coming out of the exhaust can kill you as well.

How about someone grilling next to you in the tailgate lot? When charcoal burns, it gives off chemicals that can kill you over time just like 2nd hand smoke.

I didn't want this to become a political debate, I just thought the article was hilarious. Oh well.

 

[DaddyMac]

Millions of people throw away batteries, that is not good for the environment and in turn, not good for you.

There is a road in front of your house has cars driving on it...should we regulate those? Because the stuff coming out of the exhaust can kill you as well.

How about someone grilling next to you in the tailgate lot? When charcoal burns, it gives off chemicals that can kill you over time just like 2nd hand smoke.

I didn't want this to become a political debate, I just thought the article was hilarious. Oh well.

So because we can't do EVERYTHING, we shouldn't do ANYTHING?

I love that arguement. :dull:

Out of curiosity ... where does toothpaste, charcoal and batteries rank on the "number of people killed by each year" list?

 

[bos]

So because we can't do EVERYTHING, we shouldn't do ANYTHING?

I love that arguement. :dull:

Out of curiosity ... where does toothpaste, charcoal and batteries rank on the "number of people killed by each year" list?

It almost sounds like a child got his toy taken away, doesn't it?

 

[cmoneyr]

There is a road in front of your house has cars driving on it...should we regulate those?

We do...Next

How about someone grilling next to you in the tailgate lot?

Is this tailgate lot in a confined indoor area? No? Oh, so this example has no basis on the actual issue then? Ok. Just checking.

 

[cycloneworld]

So because we can't do EVERYTHING, we shouldn't do ANYTHING?

I love that arguement. :dull:


Out of curiosity ... where does toothpaste, charcoal and batteries rank on the "number of people killed by each year" list?

Probably not very high but there are many things above 2nd hand smoke deaths that we are doing nothing about.

 

[keepngoal]

Is this tailgate lot in a confined indoor area? No? Oh, so this example has no basis on the actual issue then? Ok. Just checking.

how about Rubes Steakhouse???? time to shut it down????

-keep.

 

[bos]

Probably not very high but there are many things above 2nd hand smoke deaths that we are doing nothing about.

I wouldnt say we are doing nothing. Otherwise you wouldnt hear environmentalists throwing a fit every day on the media. Like I mentioned before. This ban costs the government little to nothing. Environmental changes do.

 

[cycloneworld]

We do...Next

Is this tailgate lot in a confined indoor area? No? Oh, so this example has no basis on the actual issue then? Ok. Just checking.

Could you answer the question without all of drama next time?

Since when does the law limit smoking in indoors? How about public parks, golf courses, etc? Those will be affected too.

 

[chadm]

Is this tailgate lot in a confined indoor area? No? Oh, so this example has no basis on the actual issue then? Ok. Just checking.

Then how does golf courses end up in the Iowa bill?

 

[cycloneworld]

It almost sounds like a child got his toy taken away, doesn't it?

I don't even smoke by the way. So no, my toy didn't get taken away. I'm sorry if you feel like you have a right to have clothes not smelling of smoke when you come home from the bar.

 

[bos]

Then how does golf courses end up in the Iowa bill?

Thats a good question. It seems odd. But I can live with that decision.

 

[cycloneworld]

Like I mentioned before. This ban costs the government little to nothing. Environmental changes do.

So the government should address only issues that cost them little money?

 

[bos]

I don't even smoke by the way. So no, my toy didn't get taken away. I'm sorry if you feel like you have a right to have clothes not smelling of smoke when you come home from the bar.

You honestly think stinky clothes is what is driving the publics opinion of this? This convo is done.

 

[DaddyMac]

Probably not very high but there are many things above 2nd hand smoke deaths that we are doing nothing about.

Probably. But such as?

I imagine diabetes, heart disease and such are. But neither of those have a direct impact on others like smoking does. Aside from perhaps the visual....

You and I have been a couple rounds on this, CW. And I think we have a good understanding. I'm happy to see it, you're not. But I think most people agree that this is a wussy attempt to curb smoking in general (not just for the second hand issue), but gov't is too scared to take on the issue head on - that if it's such a health issue, it should be banned like just about any other illegal drug.

To that, I agree. I'm just happy to see something and do think it'll cause some to quit, others to not start, and does protect other patrons and workers.

 

[cmoneyr]

Then how does golf courses end up in the Iowa bill?

It's not my job to explain what the law makers were thinking, ask them yourself. I don't agree with the golf course portion of it, for the record.

 

[cycloneworld]

You honestly think stinky clothes is what is driving the publics opinion of this? This convo is done.

For some people, yes. For you, no.

 

[isucyfan]

I'm not saying a smoking ban should extend to outdoor public places, but I will tell you that when my family helped in a city park cleanup in our neighborhood, the amount of cigarette butts vs. other garbage was astounding.

Why can't smokers put their butts in the appropriate place?

 

[bos]

So the government should address only issues that cost them little money?

Nope, where did I say that. I said that things that dont cost them money tend to get passed quicker. Geez, man, I cant believe I had to explain that one.

 

[keepngoal]

This convo is done.

Is this like taking the ball and going home?

-keep.