Marcus Smart hits a fan

[IAStubborn]

It doesn't make it less of a stupid idea. The second he put his hands on that person, it is assault and any level of retaliation would be deemed acceptable. If they had not scurried off (as most dumb drunk loudmouths do) put had pulled out a knife and stabbed your fried, they would not be going to jail since they were just defending themselves from assault.

It does not matter what was said to Smart, his actions unacceptable in the forum of Big 12 basketball. No one is talking about arresting him, just suspending him from the right to play basketball in the conference. I am 100% confident that he will get a multiple game suspension, that Okie State will lose all games he misses and that this will result in Okie State ultimately missing the ncaa tourney.

I never said it did. My point was and is that it is perfectly warranted to consider mitigating circumstances when handing out a punishment. What did the Nebraska player who hit the Mizzou fan get? Or does the conference just condone that action toward Mizzou fans? What about the Michigan Player that shoved an ISU fan to the floor this year? Circumstances matter.

 

[heitclone]

If the N word was used its strange that no other fan or media person in the vicinity has come out saying so. Either way theres no reason to EVER put your hands on fan, I also think the fan should be accountable for his part. He should have his tickets taken or be banned from games.

 

[benjay]

So should Smart have restrained himself? Absolutely.

Sorry to jump your quote, but this is the only information we have with certainty. Nothing that goober did could justify Smart's actions. The rest is speculation until we know what was said.

 

[JSmoove]

Well if you're hearing that than hopefully you are calling out that person in front of everyone else and ridiculing them publicly.

Nah probay just feels better getting it out of his/hers system on an Internet forum.

 

[xr4ticlone]

I'll defend Smart here a bit....

First - I have no clue how any of you can say "I don't think it was the N word". How the **** do you know? Just spitting **** from your ***? Multiple reports from a few sources stating it was a racial slur yelled at Smart. When you look at the other video of this fan from the A&M game - this guy clearly taunts players. It's a lot more convieveable he did yell a racial slur at Smart than he didn't.

So should Smart have restrained himself? Perhpaps. But how many of you ripping on him from his actions have been victim of bigotry? Assumming that is in fact what happened. It's pretty easy to sit on your couch neve having lived that and stating what another young man should do when people treat him poorly based on the color of his skin. I've certainly never had something like that happen to me but I have witnessed it and it's simply one of the cruelest things you can do to a person.

If this fan is the bigot many claim he is - I hope someone beats the **** out of him. If anything, Smart could be commended for just a shove (he did not HIT this "fan", he shoved him) - rather than an all out beatdown.

Shame on many of you for acting like an N word directed at anyone isn't all that big of a deal.

man up a little Nancy...geesh. Quit making excuses for ****** behavior. If the n word really bothers blacks so much they should quit using it as well. I say that as someone who doesn't like the word...and doesn't use it...but at the same time the idea the n word allows blacks a free pass on behavior is a load of BS and needs to stop.

 

[IASTATE4LIFE]

I'll defend Smart here a bit....

First - I have no clue how any of you can say "I don't think it was the N word". How the **** do you know? Just spitting **** from your ***? Multiple reports from a few sources stating it was a racial slur yelled at Smart. When you look at the other video of this fan from the A&M game - this guy clearly taunts players. It's a lot more convieveable he did yell a racial slur at Smart than he didn't.

So should Smart have restrained himself? Perhpaps. But how many of you ripping on him from his actions have been victim of bigotry? Assumming that is in fact what happened. It's pretty easy to sit on your couch neve having lived that and stating what another young man should do when people treat him poorly based on the color of his skin. I've certainly never had something like that happen to me but I have witnessed it and it's simply one of the cruelest things you can do to a person.

If this fan is the bigot many claim he is - I hope someone beats the **** out of him. If anything, Smart could be commended for just a shove (he did not HIT this "fan", he shoved him) - rather than an all out beatdown.

Shame on many of you for acting like an N word directed at anyone isn't all that big of a deal.

So your argument is to just take the law into our own hands and just beat the **** out of everyone who says something to you that you don't like.
sounds like a smart idea.

 

[Dingus]

I will say this: I find it incredibly irritating when people get up in someone's face who could destroy them just because they assume someone else will step in and stop it. Whether its at a bar, a party, or that annoying little woman in front of Smart who's yelling right in his face before he shoves that guy.

If you can't defend yourself, keep your mouth shut.

Smart, or any player, obviously can't push a fan. But I don't particularly care that he did. I'm sure the guy half deserved it. Wrong, yes, but come on, the guy didn't even fall over.

 

[TykeClone]

So your argument is to just take the law into our own hands and just beat the **** out of everyone who says something to you that you don't like.
sounds like a smart idea.

A Marcus Smart idea!

 

[vmbplayer]

I'll say this much. Obviously I'm not an athlete, nor am I African American to fully understand having that particular slur directed at me.

However, I have been a part of a group where you hold yourself to a higher standard because you represent the name on the front of the uniform and conduct yourself accordingly. As a band member I went to multiple venues where the fan conduct toward you is just flat out wrong. I was there when rocks and sticks were thrown at the group. Since the ISU band tends to not have a whole lot of African Americans I can't relate to that. However I heard at multiple stadiums a very offensive slur used to male members of the homosexual community thrown out there in very hostile manners. And that was at the BAND, I can't even imagine the **** that athletes hear and deal with. So I have no doubt that what was said to Smart probably deserved the response it got.

BUT...this is when you have to remember the name on the jersey you represent has to come first. Everyone suggesting that holding Smart to a higher standard excuses the behavior of a middle aged fan is WRONG. It doesn't excuse the behavior of the fan. There is however the fact that the player represents the institution and is under the disciplinary control of the university. The fan should likewise be dealt with by the school, but the idea that punishing Smart somehow excuses the fan is just silly. No matter how rough the slur was, going into the stands to physically retaliate warrants a suspension. Even when a reasonable person would and might have reacted the same way.

Was Smart's reaction potentially VERY easy to understand? Yes. Does that matter? Not really. Does that mean the fan was in the right or shouldn't be punished according to Big 12 fan conduct rules? Absolutely not. Both should be held accountable, but the reason Smart will be the story is because if the media covered every incident of a fan being a giant *** we wouldn't have time to get the scores of the games that were played.

Sorry for the length

 

[rhillary]

It is never "ok" to push/punch/etc a fan, but it was the heat of the moment and I think a lot of it depends on what was said. If we assume the worst and it was the worst racial slur possible, then the fan should be banned and Smart should get a suspension, and I would guess it would be 1 game. If they go to the other extreme and find that nothing "major" was said, I bet he gets 3-5 games, however I can't see how Smart would go after one specific fan like that for nothing "major"...

 

[Cyclonepride]

It is never "ok" to push/punch/etc a fan, but it was the heat of the moment and I think a lot of it depends on what was said. If we assume the worst and it was the worst racial slur possible, then the fan should be banned and Smart should get a suspension, and I would guess it would be 1 game. If they go to the other extreme and find that nothing "major" was said, I bet he gets 3-5 games, however I can't see how Smart would go after one specific fan like that for nothing "major"...

I really think the minimum is 3

 

[cycloneG]

I think it was awesome. I hate fans that taunt athletes. They are absolute scum. If I were ever next to a fan that taunted an athlete, I would do worse than Smart. Fans need to be held to a higher standard. Hopefully the Big 12 starts implementing rules to kick out these types of fans.

 

[mctallerton]

I think it was awesome. I hate fans that taunt athletes. They are absolute scum. If I were ever next to a fan that taunted an athlete, I would do worse than Smart. Fans need to be held to a higher standard. Hopefully the Big 12 starts implementing rules to kick out these types of fans.

They do, had he gone to an official and told the official the fan would have been removed.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I actually agree with Stephen A.- he says that the Big 12 and the NCAA in general have to send a message that this is never acceptable, regardless of what was said.

 

[vmbplayer]

They do, had he gone to an official and told the official the fan would have been removed.

He did multiple times. After he shoved him of course.

 

[mctallerton]

He did multiple times. After he shoved him of course.

and at that point in time the official was dealing with the fact that Smart just shoved a fan

 

[cycloneG]

They do, had he gone to an official and told the official the fan would have been removed.

Was the fan removed? Marcus told the official immediately after it happened and the fan was allowed to stay. The current rule isn't working. The Big 12 needs to get these types of fans under control.

 

[Tornado man]

They do, had he gone to an official and told the official the fan would have been removed.

Whoa - wouldn't there have to be some verification that a racial slur was indeed said?

 

[stevefrench]

I'll defend Smart here a bit....

First - I have no clue how any of you can say "I don't think it was the N word". How the **** do you know? Just spitting **** from your ***? Multiple reports from a few sources stating it was a racial slur yelled at Smart. When you look at the other video of this fan from the A&M game - this guy clearly taunts players. It's a lot more convieveable he did yell a racial slur at Smart than he didn't.

So should Smart have restrained himself? Perhpaps. But how many of you ripping on him from his actions have been victim of bigotry? Assumming that is in fact what happened. It's pretty easy to sit on your couch neve having lived that and stating what another young man should do when people treat him poorly based on the color of his skin. I've certainly never had something like that happen to me but I have witnessed it and it's simply one of the cruelest things you can do to a person.

If this fan is the bigot many claim he is - I hope someone beats the **** out of him. If anything, Smart could be commended for just a shove (he did not HIT this "fan", he shoved him) - rather than an all out beatdown.

Shame on many of you for acting like an N word directed at anyone isn't all that big of a deal.

so if a video from an aTm game 4 years ago is indicative of this guy being a rabid fan who is only there to provoke opponents of Ttech, then wouldn't the video from just a few weeks ago of Smart throwing a tantrum and kicking chairs be indicative of Marcus having a short fuse and being capable of going off for no reason?

this fan was in the wrong for acting the way he did and I'm sure he realizes that. He's even more in the wrong, IF in fact he said what only those connected to OSU are reporting. but, that absolutely does not excuse Smart putting his hands on anyone. There is nothing anyone can say to anyone else that makes violence okay. nothing at all, no matter how inflammatory. "but he called me .... (insert expletive)" is an excuse for small individuals with no self control.

from my own personal experience (since you believe none of us white people could ever experience anything even remotely similar), I used to work with delinquent juveniles in residential care for behavior, drugs, etc. I have had 16-18 year old kids say to my face the most vile things you can imagine, much worse than an epithet pertaining to race. would I have been well within my right to strike some kid because he said he wanted to rape my wife and kill my child? hell no. not even if they deserved that. you know why? because there is consequences for your actions. "but he said some mean stuff to me" would not have stopped me from losing my job, likely being charged, and never working in that field again.

thanks for labeling everyone who has a different opinion than you as sympathizers of bigotry.

 

[everyyard]

1) Marcus Smart screwed up. It might be understandable that he did it, but that doesn't make it acceptable.
2) I have a feeling something pretty nasty came out of the white bigot's mouth. Marcus Smart has literally heard it all in opposing arenas.
3) Those of you that don't get why black people use of the "N" word is different that a white persons use of it don't know many black people. It is a way to take the word back and make it less harmful and painful. There is so much hate in that word and when it is used between people that can recognize that is is a way to neutralize its power.