Car chase and shots fired

[cybsball20]

When I first heard about this and that it was a landscaping truck, my first thought was "what if the driver didn't understand English and didn't know they wanted him to turn off the truck". It still seems like there are a lot of unanswered questions and at first glance, the actions were "excessive" but I am willing to see how it all plays out before making any final judgements.

 

[joker]

Wouldn't damage to a police car be better than a dead man?
If he's pinned in, it seems like they could put forth a little effort to bring him out of this alive. If he was as panicked as things seem, try something to calm him down.

I'm not sure on this. I'm just not convinced very quickly that shooting was necessary.

Wouldn't not stealing a truck in the first place and running from the police be better than a dead man?

 

[3TrueFans]

When I first heard about this and that it was a landscaping truck, my first thought was "what if the driver didn't understand English and didn't know they wanted him to turn off the truck". It still seems like there are a lot of unanswered questions and at first glance, the actions were "excessive" but I am willing to see how it all plays out before making any final judgements.

 

[Cy4Patriots]

So, basically some of you are saying people are allowed to do whatever they ******* please as long as they are not armed with a gun? Because, rolling a trailer up on to a police cruiser isn't considered dangerous?

C'mon. I'm tired of people wanting to treat somebody with angel like gloves after he tore through campus almost rolling the trailer on to a girl and recklessly doing anything to get away from police.

 

[CycloneErik]

Wouldn't not stealing a truck in the first place and running from the police be better than a dead man?

Sure, but bad decisions don't make up a reason to kill the kid.

 

[TXCyclones]

"During the chase, an unidentified Ames police staffer twice suggested that police back off their pursuit, according to dispatch audio obtained by the Register through a third-party service."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...ISU-baffled-by-slaying?Frontpage&sf19152229=1

 

[isuno1fan]

Sure, but bad decisions don't make up a reason to kill the kid.

Actions have consequences. In this case, his life. I have no problem with the outcome.

As soon as somebody crosses that line, they are in a danger zone. Things can escalate very quickly. He made his bed and now he is lying in it (a coffin in this case).

 

[CycloneErik]

"During the chase, an unidentified Ames police staffer twice suggested that police back off their pursuit, according to dispatch audio obtained by the Register through a third-party service."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...ISU-baffled-by-slaying?Frontpage&sf19152229=1

Actions have consequences. In this case, his life. I have no problem with the outcome.

As soon as somebody crosses that line, they are in a danger zone. Things can escalate very quickly. He made his bed and now he is lying in it (a coffin in this case).

But if the truck is in a place it can't escape from, the danger is over. Things like this can open some dangerous doors very quickly.

 

[Tailg8er]

How about firing one warning shot and then telling the driver that if the truck starts to move the next shots will be at the driver.

Not sure if srs?

 

[3TrueFans]

But if the truck is in a place it can't escape from, the danger is over. Things like this can open some dangerous doors very quickly.

What dangerous door exactly? That when you nearly kill people and run from the police after stealing a truck you might get shot?

 

[3TrueFans]

Not sure if srs?

Unfortunately I think he's srs.

 

[CycloneErik]

What dangerous door exactly? That when you nearly kill people and run from the police after stealing a truck you might get shot?

That would be one, sure.

 

[BanjoCy]

So, basically some of you are saying people are allowed to do whatever they ******* please as long as they are not armed with a gun? Because, rolling a trailer up on to a police cruiser isn't considered dangerous?

C'mon. I'm tired of people wanting to treat somebody with angel like gloves after he tore through campus almost rolling the trailer on to a girl and recklessly doing anything to get away from police.

I don't think anyone honestly believes that. I'm pretty sure the question is "If you steal a car and drive it dangerously, do you deserve to die?". That is the bigger question. At what point do the authorities have consent to kill? There is an obligation to use minimum force necessary to protect the innocent. And please, there are plenty of documented cases of this obligation being woefully disregarded by members of the law enforcement community.

 

[3TrueFans]

That would be one, sure.

Shouldn't that be common sense?

 

[TXCyclones]

What dangerous door exactly? That when you nearly kill people and run from the police after stealing a truck you might get shot?

1 of 6 shots hit the driver. Any of the other 5 shots could have easily hit somebody else on campus.

 

[1100011CS]

Actions have consequences. In this case, his life. I have no problem with the outcome.

As soon as somebody crosses that line, they are in a danger zone. Things can escalate very quickly. He made his bed and now he is lying in it (a coffin in this case).

 

[ianoconnor]

How about firing one warning shot and then telling the driver that if the truck starts to move the next shots will be at the driver.

Just so we're clear, this thread is about a real life occurrence, not a movie scr*pt.

 

[3TrueFans]

1 of 6 shots hit the driver. Any of the other 5 shots could have easily hit somebody else on campus.

It's possible, I'll take the odds of a trained officer shooting at a suspect over a nutjob driving his truck across campus though in terms of which is more safe for innocent people. He was hit by 2 shots btw.

 

[TXCyclones]

It's possible, I'll take the odds of a trained officer shooting at a suspect over a nutjob driving his truck across campus though in terms of which is more safe for innocent people.

He was done driving when that "trained officer" fired his shots. The car was penned in.

 

[Gnomeborg]

He was done driving when that "trained officer" fired his shots. The car was penned in.

Wait, you just quoted "trained officer" there, didn't you?

Which part do you have a problem admitting is actually true?

What part of "trained officer" do you think isn't true?

Also, being penned in doesn't mean he was done driving. He'd rammed through police cars before, and shown a disregard for pedestrians. Revving an engine of a vehicle that you've already failed to run over random people with only because they were spry is pretty much in the same wheelhouse of intent as cocking a gun.