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Just glancing through the IMDB Top 250 for some ideas...

Inception - Delicious special effects, but a convoluted, plot hole-ridden storyline that is at once too simple and too complicated to really make much for compelling story, character, or drama

Terminator 2 - The first one is superior in all ways... the kid is annoying, it breaks so many rules of its own universe, and the anti-men themes and dialogue (for some reason completely absent in the first one with the strong, male hero of Kyle Reese to guide things) just kind of ruins it for me

The Dark Knight Rises - None of the interesting character study of the first one, none of the tightly-wound plot or drama of the second one, simply just a mess on all fronts

WALL*E - Pixar has done just so much better, the robots aren't really that compelling, and the brain-dead environmentalist themes and daft science fiction logic just took me out of the moment

The Avengers - Hilariously fun popcorn flick, but, one of the best films ever made? Really? Iron Man is way better as a pure film from the same franchise for innovation, entertainment, and character development

A Beautiful Mind - Not particularly accurate to the life of John Nash, they might as well went with the whole NXNW plot... I probably would have enjoyed that a ton more...

Star Trek Into Darkness - fun, but a mess, and I really don't see the point of "rebooting" the franchise if they're just going to liberally rip story elements from far better originals like The Wrath of Khan

Harry Potter 8 - a franchise that belonged on the page, watching Emma and Daniel and the crowd snore their way through this (they were so bored looking) in their early 20s got old

That would be my obvious list, glancing at it, of overrated Top 250 films.

That is blasphemy! Hands down my favorite Pixar movie.
 

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How dare you diss Terminator 2!

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Just glancing through the IMDB Top 250 for some ideas...

Inception - Delicious special effects, but a convoluted, plot hole-ridden storyline that is at once too simple and too complicated to really make much for compelling story, character, or drama

Terminator 2 - The first one is superior in all ways... the kid is annoying, it breaks so many rules of its own universe, and the anti-men themes and dialogue (for some reason completely absent in the first one with the strong, male hero of Kyle Reese to guide things) just kind of ruins it for me

The Dark Knight Rises - None of the interesting character study of the first one, none of the tightly-wound plot or drama of the second one, simply just a mess on all fronts

WALL*E - Pixar has done just so much better, the robots aren't really that compelling, and the brain-dead environmentalist themes and daft science fiction logic just took me out of the moment

The Avengers - Hilariously fun popcorn flick, but, one of the best films ever made? Really? Iron Man is way better as a pure film from the same franchise for innovation, entertainment, and character development

A Beautiful Mind - Not particularly accurate to the life of John Nash, they might as well went with the whole NXNW plot... I probably would have enjoyed that a ton more...

Star Trek Into Darkness - fun, but a mess, and I really don't see the point of "rebooting" the franchise if they're just going to liberally rip story elements from far better originals like The Wrath of Khan

Harry Potter 8 - a franchise that belonged on the page, watching Emma and Daniel and the crowd snore their way through this (they were so bored looking) in their early 20s got old

That would be my obvious list, glancing at it, of overrated Top 250 films.

I agree with all your choices except for the Dark Knight Rises. While not as good as the Dark Knight, I still found it to be decent and close to par with the other two. Haven't seen Star Trek Into Darkness yet, but I'll be interested to see if I feel the same way you do on that one as well.
 

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Tarantino has a classic dialogue scene in every movie he's done, all of which are some of my favorite scenes in each movie. The diner scenes in Pulp Fiction, the breakfast conversation around the table in Reservoir Dogs, the lunch convo between the girls in Death Proof, the opening of Inglorious Basterds and the scene in the basement of the bar later on, the dinner scene at Candy's ranch in Django.

I guess I can see why people think his violence is over the top, but I think that's his point. It's odd to me that people talk about his violence but pass over others. Is it because it's so in your face? Take a movie like Se7en, which I LOVE. But that is more disturbing and violent to me than Tarantino because his IS so gratuitous and over the top. Then I see a movie like Saw or Hostel and THOSE aren't being dissected by people as being too violent yet Tarantino movies are? That makes zero sense to me. Just because they are horror movies they get a pass?

Se7en is one of my two or three favorite movies, so I'm in no way adverse to horror/violence/thrillers. The point of Se7en to me, though, is that so much is left to your imagination, which is even worse than showing it right to you like Tarantino has done lately. Se7en treats the violence as the dark, terrible thing it is by only lightly touching on it, and treating it very seriously. Tarantino has made his violence cartoony lately. There hasn't been anything serious in his film violence in many, many movies.

I personally don't watch movies like Saw and Hostel, because I don't see any redeeming value in them. I like scary movies, but I don't just need to see gore for the sake of gore. I think those movies get talked about, but Quentin tries to pass himself off as still being a serious artist - nobody watching the gore in the last few movies can call that "serious" or "art."

Quentin still has some of the best dialogue scenes out there. He should focus on his skill at that a little bit more than trying to push an envelope that doesn't need pushed.
 

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Se7en is one of my two or three favorite movies, so I'm in no way adverse to horror/violence/thrillers. The point of Se7en to me, though, is that so much is left to your imagination, which is even worse than showing it right to you like Tarantino has done lately. Se7en treats the violence as the dark, terrible thing it is by only lightly touching on it, and treating it very seriously. Tarantino has made his violence cartoony lately. There hasn't been anything serious in his film violence in many, many movies.

I personally don't watch movies like Saw and Hostel, because I don't see any redeeming value in them. I like scary movies, but I don't just need to see gore for the sake of gore. I think those movies get talked about, but Quentin tries to pass himself off as still being a serious artist - nobody watching the gore in the last few movies can call that "serious" or "art."

Quentin still has some of the best dialogue scenes out there. He should focus on his skill at that a little bit more than trying to push an envelope that doesn't need pushed.

The first Saw was solid. I enjoyed the twists and mind games. Plus a good cast. The rest...meh, money grabs.

I refuse to watch Hostel. Thats just gratuitous violence. Stupid.
 

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The first Saw was solid. I enjoyed the twists and mind games. Plus a good cast. The rest...meh, money grabs.

I refuse to watch Hostel. Thats just gratuitous violence. Stupid.

I did see the first Saw. Cary Elwes was good, and it did have an interesting idea. After that, though, I knew what it was about, and tapped out.

Almost forgot: Fight Club. People talked like it changed their lives or something. For me it was just meh.

Oh, man, I can't get behind that. Fantastic movie. Fincher sometimes skews too far to style (like Panic Room) or is very serious and all about substance (like Se7en) - although I like Se7en better, I thought Fight Club was one of his best jobs of meshing the two extremes.
 

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Now, just because I think it's just his schtick now, I'll point out - you say the ridiculous gore in Kill Bill is an homage to samurai films. In IB, it's cathartic. What is it in Django? There isn't a gigantic number of African-American cowboys out there, and Westerns weren't insanely gory, so I have nothing. I think he's just not being creative, and instead going for the easy out of shock value.
I believe some of Django was an homage to old spaghetti westerns, and while there was probably more blood in Django compared to those older movies, the body count probably wasn't that different. I'm sure if you look you'll find that there are tributes to other genres for IB as well. The cathartic interpretation is just what I came away with after watching it, mainly from the final scene.

Tarantino is a director that likes to tell stories while paying homage to other films and genres that have influenced him. That's just what he's decided to do and he pretty much has free reign to do what ever he wants now. I think he's an excellent story teller and a master of dialogue, and if you look past the goriness, there are some pretty great stories underneath. And I don't think it's really fair to try and say he's not producing "art". Art that you don't care for is still art.