***Official Bench Steele Jantz thread***

[GMackey32]

I haven't read this whole thread, but I hope some has already stated what I'm about to state and I don't care if they have. It needs to be said multiple times.


While our OL and play calling didn't help, Jantz was a major problem of why we lost tonight. That fumble and INT when no receiver was around was absolutely terrible.

Our defense and special teams played good enough to win today. Our offense is holding our team back.

 

[WeedCyntist]

It wasn't all Jantz's fault but he is a head case who doesn't protect the ball. I was hoping for a better but we get the same lack of production ISU offense. This has been going on for years. 3 and out.

 

[cycloneNATEion]

This is ridiculous. Jantz's 3 picks... A miscommunication, a pass that was on the money that got hit out, and a throw up ball. It's hard to get yards passing in the first half when you throw like 7 passes. Did he play well? No. But he is not the reason we lost, there are many more issues.

 

[scyclonekid]

Messingham blows!! Bench his ***!! We need a REAL coordinator. Jantz is not good, but our offense as a whole sucks. We are in trouble folks.

 

[Rabbuk]

I see one more win this year as things are currently.

 

[CycloneErik]

The entire offense deserves an F for tonight and for the season.
In terms of tonight, it's a complete offensive failure:
1) If Jantz had time, he made bad decisions.
2) When Jantz had no time, of course it went badly.
3) Texas Tech went all-in on the run several times, because they knew that they could stop that, and that we can't pass.
4) OL is awful early in the year again.

 

[bdnichols2000]

I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying Jantz is our best option??? We have a guy on our bench who has won 3 Big 12 games. Jantz has never won a Big 12 game.

 

[Let's Go State]

I'm afraid he's still the best option.

BTW our front page atm makes us look like HN.

Not with that many turnovers.

 

[00clone]

I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying Jantz is our best option??? We have a guy on our bench who has won 3 Big 12 games. Jantz has never won a Big 12 game.

Well, I don't know that he's our best option, but if our coaches, who are paid to know these things, think it's best to have him in there, they must think he's the best.

 

[LAClone]

I think what we're missing here is a distinction between "bad" and "self-destructive."

I wouldn't call Jantz a "bad" quarterback. He's proven that he has an arm and that, when he doesn't panic, he is capable of playing a solid game. Notice the problem with that sentence though: "when he doesn't panic." When he panics, things get crazy - he throws interceptions, he fumbles, and he is entirely too prone to making bad decisions.

That's really the problem that we have here. Rarely do you get to the endzone without at least one play that causes a QB to panic. And even if your QB just drove you 75 yards in the previous 13 plays, it doesn't matter if the QB is going to turn over the ball in the red zone on the one panic play in the drive.

I'm willing to take a QB who is a little "worse" for one who is less prone to panic and being self-destructive.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I'm willing to take a QB who is a little "worse" for one who is less prone to panic and being self-destructive.

Whether it is due to bad QB play or panicking, a turnover is a turnover. Given the turnover's SJ and JB have committed, our only hope is SR.

The first INT by Steele hurt big time. Score there and who knows...

 

[jdoggivjc]

I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying Jantz is our best option??? We have a guy on our bench who has won 3 Big 12 games. Jantz has never won a Big 12 game.

You really don't remember how last year ended, do you? By the end of the year defenses began figuring out the guy that won 3 Big 12 games was a one trick pony and he was terrible the rest of the year.

While it appears Jantz isn't the answer, Barnett clearly isn't either.

 

[bdnichols2000]

You really don't remember how last year ended, do you? By the end of the year defenses began figuring out the guy that won 3 Big 12 games was a one trick pony and he was terrible the rest of the year.

While it appears Jantz isn't the answer, Barnett clearly isn't either.

Your right, we should keep playing the guy who routinely throws the ball directly to the other team. Sounds like a plan!!

 

[kentkel]

I agree with the general sentiment that there are a host of issues with the offense and it isn't JUST Jantz's fault. My biggest problem with Jantz is that he still tends to miss the mark with open receivers. In the Iowa game he had a couple open receivers (Bunderage & Young I believe) that had beaten Donatel, but he overthrew them - in both cases, they could very well have gone for 6. Tonight he totally missed a wide open receiver on 1st down (he had time, no one was within 6 yards of the receiver) it was an AWFUL throw! And that put us at 2nd and long instead of 2nd and short - you gotta make the easy throws! Also, there was one time where he had a free play because Tech was offsides, he had time to pass, and he threw an interception - I didn't see a receiver even remotely close to the ball. Fortunately, the refs did call offsides on Tech, so we got the ball back. But I scratched my head & thought - "you have a free ball to throw, and that's the best option - right to 2 Tech defenders?" Of course, I will admit that I didn't have the entire view of the field & that, maybe, it was his best option?

 

[Cy4Patriots]

That doesn't mean Jantz is free from blame.

Very true. When you fumble because your knee was in the way of the ball then you have issues.

 

[InCytful]

I don't have the patience to read this whole thread after driving back to Omaha from Ames tonight. Jantz sucked on reading the zone read and on that fumble (da** that sucked) and he did miss a couple of short routes badly, but he was getting killed by blitzes and by the d-line a lot. That o-line had a number of WTF moments, especially in the second half when the game was still one score. Some of that was Tech, but (&^^%$$## if we don't suck on offense after a bye week. Receivers almost didn't touch a ball. If you benched everyone on offense who had a bad game today, our bench would be full.

Was Messingham up in the booth for this game? Guys in our section said he was. If so, go back to him being on the field. He didn't call that good of a game from up there. Take away two drives (TD and missed field goal) and our offense had almost nothing the whole game. Blame the QB if you want, but that my friends starts with the coaches.

 

[BallSoHard4Cy]

Defense wins championships... but not when you have Steele Jantz as your starting QB... and Jared Barnett as your backup. SMH were screwed. It's time to start Sam Richardson, or Grant Rohach, or find a way to make Joel Lanning eligible to play right now.

 

[Cyclonefan89]

I would love to quote all of you on the first two pages of this thread, but that would take too long.
I just want to say it's great to see so many aspiring coaches who can see how bad the play calling was and how bad the team was.
This is a good team. TTU had the right game plan, and I for one think we can beat TCU next week. Go clones!

 

[CyArob]

The next time Iowa State has a "really good" QB, will be the first one. Sage relied on a good running game. Seneca relied on some type of magic that disappeared in his last season. Flynn was... a WR. Meyer was average at best. Arnaud was Meyer at best. Tiller was... a WR. Jantz is either really good or realllly bad. Barnett can run, but can't pass. We've had some good game managers and leaders at QB, but never a really good QB.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

The next time Iowa State has a "really good" QB, will be the first one. Sage relied on a good running game. Seneca relied on some type of magic that disappeared in his last season. Flynn was... a WR. Meyer was average at best. Arnaud was Meyer at best. Tiller was... a WR. Jantz is either really good or realllly bad. Barnett can run, but can't pass. We've had some good game managers and leaders at QB, but never a really good QB.

You are nuts to not consider Sage and Seneca to be really good QB's. Name a really good QB that had less talent around them than those two?