No. I want us to go with Tom Herman, as is currently CPR's plan. I happen to trust CPR's decision making process as well. I wonder why that is...
Herman Gone? Some possible replacements
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No. I want us to go with Tom Herman, as is currently CPR's plan. I happen to trust CPR's decision making process as well. I wonder why that is...
No they didn't. Every head coach in America knows exactly who Tom Herman is. He didn't have to scan 120 teams. Every coach has a list. Herman's probably been on Urban's watch list since Rice, when he was widely ID'd as a "boy genius."
CPR and Tom didn't have the same agent. How did they connect?
Not saying the agency relationship hurts. Just that it isn't a magic bullet to connect Meyer and Herman, either. Herman is a high rep, high promise coach.
Courtney Messingham should be the number one choice to fill the void left by Coach Herman, if he would want the position. Messingham is widely regarded as one of Coach Rhoads' most trusted friends and coaches, right alongside Coach Bleil. Messingham is also widely respected by players, hence his move to Wide Receivers coach to deal with "attitude guys" that come along with that position. Further, he has previous coordinator experience, as well as experience with ISU's current players.
Continuity is very important in developing a program (see 1990 Nebraska program) and hiring Coach Messingham would send a message to current players, recruits, media, etc., that ISU is a family where each member is "All-In" and that will set us up for future success.
Messingham for O.C.
Continuity is very important in developing a program (see 1990 Nebraska program) and hiring Coach Messingham would send a message to current players, recruits, media, etc., that ISU is a family where each member is "All-In" and that will set us up for future success.
Messingham for O.C.
Herman Headed for Ohio State - Iowa State University Athletics Official Web Site - www.CYCLONES.com - The home of Iowa State Cyclone Sports
Not sure if it's been posted but ISU is saying he's going to be OC & QB coach.... so this is a set up going to a bigger school with more resources. Good for him and shows that ISU is gaining in reputation
Not sure if it's been posted but ISU is saying he's going to be OC & QB coach.... so this is a set up going to a bigger school with more resources. Good for him and shows that ISU is gaining in reputation
No way. I'm going with what all the naysayers on the board think. We can't trust CPR to make this decision.
tongue:Do all of you really think that CPR hasn't thought about whether it is good to keep Herman as OC for the bowl game? Do all of you really think you know better than he does on this one?
Or we hire someone who is a good offensive coordinator and not mess up a position group that is finally showing signs of life.
I agree with everything you've said, man. This Jaretac fellow is a fool. He tried arguing a little bit ago that Herman must have just interviewed very well for the job, because his stats here at ISU weren't that impressive. As if stats are the most important thing in hiring a new coach.
Urban Meyer is one of the greatest football coaches out there right now. He's got 2 national championships and a share for a third at Utah. The guy flat out knows football, and knows what it takes to win. Anyone who sits here on their computer and says "well his stats weren't that good, thank god Urban took Herman off our hands" is a flat out fool. Urban said in his press conference when he took the job that he planned on establishing the best coaching staff in all of college football.
In case people are forgetting, Urban didn't coach this year, he worked for ESPN as a college football analyst. He spent the offseason traveling around the country and observing different teams' practices. This guy's only job this year was to watch as much college football as he could and analyze teams. I really don't think I'm going way out on a limb here by saying that he probably had a pretty darn good idea of who he wanted to hire for his coordinators, once he accepted the job. I really doubt that he was just sitting around in his office, without a clue of who he wanted as his offensive coordinator. And then all of a sudden, he gets a call from this random fellow named Tom Herman. He decided to take the interview out of pity, and the fact that they share the same agent, and all of a sudden, boom, he hires this random guy who he had never even heard before.
Finally, OSU has had Fickell as their temporary coach for the entire year. OSU made it obvious that they wanted to hire outside for the coming years, and seeing that Urban was from Columbus, I'm guessing he had a decent idea that he may take this job a while back. Knowing that, I think it's definitely possible that he could have been keeping a close eye on coaches this season, to try to determine who he would want as his assistants. Having said that, isn't it possible that his agent may have said "hey, you should check out one of my clients, Tom Herman."
This is complete speculation on my part, but I have a real hard time buying into what some posters are saying about Urban Meyer randomly hiring some ISU OC who is "supposedly" being pushed out the door by Paul Rhoads, for having ISU at the bottom of the Big 12 in offensive statistics. Sorry, I just can't rationalize why one of the greatest football coaches in the country would do something like that.
PS. I'm going off what other posters have said about them sharing an agent, I couldn't find who Tom Herman's agent is anywhere.
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No way. I'm going with what all the naysayers on the board think. We can't trust CPR to make this decision.
Do all of you really think that CPR hasn't thought about whether it is good to keep Herman as OC for the bowl game? Do all of you really think you know better than he does on this one?
Haha. Of course not. I actually hadn't seen that CPR was definitely going to have him coach in the bowl game yet. So be it.
Actually, what I would do is get the offense together and ask them what they think. That's what I would do. But im not a coach either.
Interesting spin on it...if you wanted to keep that in mind...maybe hire Messingham to be O.C. and continue to have WR's and bring in somebody to coach QB's? Not sure if that is likely, but could possibly work.
At that time TH was hot. Rice had an offense that called look at me. ISU hasn't had that offence and one could easily say that he is just another one of those coaches that can't really make it at the BCS level. Tom Herman was one of the first names out of peoples months for OC when he came to ISU, that isn't true right now. How many times have you heard people talk about TH as a possible for x job or y job this year. That is why this move took people off guard. No one saw this coming this season.
Dan McCarney was once listed as one of the best up and coming coaches and now look. Just because he had a name 3 years ago doesn't mean anything now.
Clearly that is the best option, but more often than not the new team wants the coach to get right to work on recruiting and whatnot for his new job.
Show me where I said something about what his job would be at tOSU other than linking it to a site that said QB coach. I even asked what he would be doing. I found it interesting but nothing here contidicts what I said. He did land on his feet well however.
Herman wasn't perfect, but I sure as hell like him a lot better than Burnham. The defensive line has been ineffective and the weakest link the entire season yet he doesn't blitz enough to at LEAST try to keep things honest. Almost like our version of Norm Parker.
