Herman Gone? Some possible replacements

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Re: ***Offensive Coordinator Search Thread***

The spread has taken on the meaning and all the connotations you have given it. But, it has always referred to the amount of space between the offensive linemen. .

I quit reading after this because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. It is called a spread offense because the idea is to spread the defense out. It has nothing to do with offensive lineman.

 

[xboxfever]

Herman wasn't perfect, but I sure as hell like him a lot better than Burnham. The defensive line has been ineffective and the weakest link the entire season yet he doesn't blitz enough to at LEAST try to keep things honest. Almost like our version of Norm Parker.

 

[royhobbs09]

Herman wasn't perfect, but I sure as hell like him a lot better than Burnham. The defensive line has been ineffective and the weakest link the entire season yet he doesn't blitz enough to at LEAST try to keep things honest. Almost like our version of Norm Parker.

Nice post #6. Here's betting your previous 5 were equally as brilliant.

 

[benjay]

1-up time

 

[simply1]

Zac is genius!

Oklahoma State is a HORRIBLE matchup.

Our defensive line is atrocious, as it's easily our worst unit on the football field. Against the pass they can't create pressure and they get gashed up the middle on the run. The blueprint for destroying this defense is to spread us out, thus negating our LB core (though our MLB sucks), and run it straight up the gut for 10 + yards a pop. Add in the fact they have the best qb and the best receiver in the conference with (likely) all kinds of time to throw the ball and you have a massacre in the making.

I think it also hurts in having a fairly quick striking offense when we do score. If and when we do ti will be 3-5 minute drives, and when we don't we'll likely be off the field quick. With Okie State being quick strike as well, it sets the stage for a LOT of possessions for them, which will lead to a ton of points.

It also doesn't help that Wally does little in the way of taking gambles defensively. Our defense has problems getting any penetration whatsoever at the line of scrimmage. Despite the fact several teams have scored at will, we run very few blitzes, not even enough to keep teams honest. With teams scoring quickly on us anyway, and one figures Okie State will do the same, the risk/vs reward of blitzing is skewed in your favor. This team needs to creat turnovers to even be in the game and it certainly isn't going to happen with the way our defense plays/is designed.

 

[simply1]

He hates our d-line

This is a horrible matchup for for the Clones. Any offense that can light it up, including Tech, OU, OSU, and even A&M on the ground is likely to KILL us. Our defensive line is absolutely atrocious and gives us next to ZERO chance to stop opponents on a regular basis. They get destroyed up the middle and this is multiplied when teams spread us out to thin out our LBs (strength of the D).

Unless we get some turnovers, I struggle to see how we'll keep this team under fifty. Our offense has the potential to put up 30+ if they can stay out of their own way, but between penalties, TOs, and missed opportunities just when have they done that all season? TTU 52 ISU 27.

 

[jaretac]

He hates our d-line

Actually, we have a better rushing d than Kansas, Tech and Baylor for the season. If you look at the past 5 games when we improved drastically, ISU ranks near the top of the conference over the last half of the season.

 

[CycloneErik]

So, basically, Zac has some anti-Burnham thing that he's compelled to share with the world. Sweet.

 

[cyatheart]

Herman wasn't perfect, but I sure as hell like him a lot better than Burnham. The defensive line has been ineffective and the weakest link the entire season yet he doesn't blitz enough to at LEAST try to keep things honest. Almost like our version of Norm Parker.

hahahhahahaha

 

[crash_zone]

here is a question. If Ohio State can get a waiver to have 2 sets of coaches, can ISU do the same and get a coordinator hired now and just let him recruit till after the bowl game?

 

[Acylum]

Herman wasn't perfect, but I sure as hell like him a lot better than Burnham. The defensive line has been ineffective and the weakest link the entire season yet he doesn't blitz enough to at LEAST try to keep things honest. Almost like our version of Norm Parker.

I think the barrel needs some more fish in it. Wow.

 

[BBHMagic]

Originally Posted by rebecacy
Show me where I said something about what his job would be at tOSU other than linking it to a site that said QB coach. I even asked what he would be doing. I found it interesting but nothing here contidicts what I said. He did land on his feet well however.

Originally Posted by rebecacy
QB coach only -- see cyclones.com

:biglaugh:

Zac's gem kinda covered this up but well done ISUAg

 

[dinger]

Re: ***Offensive Coordinator Search Thread***

I think Fitch, kingsbury, Anderson, and frost all look like good candidates. My only question about frost and finch are their recruiting areas. Fitch seems to be Fla and Oregon seems to have their coaches recruit their positions, I guess that's what you do when you have an unlimited budget and national recruiting.

So much of recruiting is having those established connections in a region (usually). I worry about losing a coach with connections in Texas and not replacing him with someone who knows that area of the country.

this has to be the #2 concern for CPR, behind finding a guy that runs the spread offense of course.

 

[Stormin]

Or we hire someone who is a good offensive coordinator and not mess up a position group that is finally showing signs of life.

IMO, that could be a slap in the face to Courtney Messingham who has been an OC previously and has done a great job with every position group that he has been responsible for.

What kind of message are you sending when you don't advance people who have done a great job, and constantly bypass those on the staff to bring in new blood. IMO, that sends a message to our position coaches that they will forever be stuck as position coaches if they do a great job. And that advancement at ISU is non-existant. Remember that CPR had never been a head coach at a college before. But he was ready.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

IMO, that could be a slap in the face to Courtney Messingham who has been an OC previously and has done a great job with every position group that he has been responsible for.

What kind of message are you sending when you don't advance people who have done a great job, and constantly bypass those on the staff to bring in new blood. IMO, that sends a message to our position coaches that they will forever be stuck as position coaches if they do a great job. And that advancement at ISU is non-existant. Remember that CPR had never been a head coach at a college before. But he was ready.

The message that ISU is a good enough destination now to hire someone who has already had tremendous success and has extensive experience at the D1 level. I would be ****** if we just promoted Messingham.

 

[hoosman]

Our offense did not get it done with Herman; so why promote somone we know has less talent than Herman?

 

[Bobber]

Our offense did not get it done with Herman; so why promote somone we know has less talent than Herman?

This I tend to agree with. Herman was okay, but just think we can upgrade now that he's gone.

 

[Stormin]

The message that ISU is a good enough destination now to hire someone who has already had tremendous success and has extensive experience at the D1 level. I would be ****** if we just promoted Messingham.

So the decision to hire CPR was a bad one because he had NO Head Coaching experience prior to becoming the HC at ISU? You are funny. Messingham has OC experience. Plus he has done a great job at EVERY job he has had at ISU. SOMEONE had to give OC their first job. So your message to Messingham and the other coaches is that they need to leave ISU because there is no way in hell that they can be promoted to a higher position without leaving ISU FIRST.

IF CPR wants to offer the job to Messingham, I am supportive. IMO, he is a qualified candidate. And just as viable a candidate as the other names that have been brought up.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Devils advocate:

What if Messingham is fine with his current position and does not want to move up to the OC position?

 

[isufbcurt]

IMO, that could be a slap in the face to Courtney Messingham who has been an OC previously and has done a great job with every position group that he has been responsible for.

What kind of message are you sending when you don't advance people who have done a great job, and constantly bypass those on the staff to bring in new blood. IMO, that sends a message to our position coaches that they will forever be stuck as position coaches if they do a great job. And that advancement at ISU is non-existant. Remember that CPR had never been a head coach at a college before. But he was ready.

Messingham is our special teams coach andis doing a very good job with that. I think CPR makes Mess known that special teams is a very important piece and that he is needed in that role and not necessarily as the OC.