Tom Herman to Ohio State (Confirmed)
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If the offer is to be the OC/QB Coach, then I could see it happening.
Herman could get the benefit of being the tOSU OC while Meyer calls the plays. Then, if Meyer suceeds, Herman gets a lot of undeserved credit.
I think this only happens if he gets OC and not just QB coach.
If the offer is to be the OC/QB Coach, then I could see it happening.
Herman could get the benefit of being the tOSU OC while Meyer calls the plays. Then, if Meyer suceeds, Herman gets a lot of undeserved credit.
I think this only happens if he gets OC and not just QB coach.
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If he does go to tOSU as a QB coach, it tells me that he has little confidence in himself as an OC, or that Rhoads does and has told him so. I don't care if it is at Iowa State, fi he has any confidence in his abilities as a coach, then he would be thinking the next couple of years are the break out years and imo, would probably get him an HC job at the BCS level a lot sooner than working his way back up to OC from QB coach at Ohio State.
If he does go to tOSU as a QB coach, it tells me that he has little confidence in himself as an OC, or that Rhoads does and has told him so. I don't care if it is at Iowa State, fi he has any confidence in his abilities as a coach, then he would be thinking the next couple of years are the break out years and imo, would probably get him an HC job at the BCS level a lot sooner than working his way back up to OC from QB coach at Ohio State.
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Wow, you're just full of bad comparisons and misinformed judgments today.
Wow, you're just full of bad comparisons and misinformed judgments today.
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Urban had 2 national titles at Florida, and a 12-0 record in 04 with Utah, which I think was considered a share of the title.
Urban had 2 national titles at Florida, and a 12-0 record in 04 with Utah, which I think was considered a share of the title.
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That pretty much proves my point. He has multiple titles and a pretty solid 4-0 mark in BCS games.
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Actually he was spot on. Herman has done a fairly solid job at ISU to this point but by the looks of the talent and youth ISU's offense is poised to have a few breakout years. IF ISU's offense performs at an even higher level Herman's stock will go through the roof. He has some people's attention now... another year or two at ISU and he could position himself as a Gus Malzahn type of OC and everyone will be calling him with job offers.
Actually he was spot on. Herman has done a fairly solid job at ISU to this point but by the looks of the talent and youth ISU's offense is poised to have a few breakout years. IF ISU's offense performs at an even higher level Herman's stock will go through the roof. He has some people's attention now... another year or two at ISU and he could position himself as a Gus Malzahn type of OC and everyone will be calling him with job offers.
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Look at how many guys from Urban's Florida staff got head coaching jobs. If Ohio St dominates the B10 like I expect they will, Herman should have no problem moving up quickly. When is the last time an ISU assistant was hired for a head coaching job? Florida had three assistants get HC jobs in Meyer's last two years at Florida alone.
Look at how many guys from Urban's Florida staff got head coaching jobs. If Ohio St dominates the B10 like I expect they will, Herman should have no problem moving up quickly. When is the last time an ISU assistant was hired for a head coaching job? Florida had three assistants get HC jobs in Meyer's last two years at Florida alone.
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What a completely factual critique on your part!
So Loeffler isn't the OC at Temple? There aren't potential open OC positions at good programs? ISU to Rice wasn't a promotion?
Which one of these comparative judgments are misinformed? I'd love to be corrected.
What a completely factual critique on your part!
So Loeffler isn't the OC at Temple? There aren't potential open OC positions at good programs? ISU to Rice wasn't a promotion?
Which one of these comparative judgments are misinformed? I'd love to be corrected.
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How about comparing the move to leaving a vice president's job to take an internship?
The bottom line is, you're arguably overstating the case for ISU and without question understating what Ohio State might have to offer Herman in this situation. You're positioning this as a no-brainer that Herman would stay when it is anything but.
How about comparing the move to leaving a vice president's job to take an internship?
The bottom line is, you're arguably overstating the case for ISU and without question understating what Ohio State might have to offer Herman in this situation. You're positioning this as a no-brainer that Herman would stay when it is anything but.
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This is a very good point. But how many of those assistants took a straight-line demotion to work their way up in that?
Dan McCarney went from BCS school to released, and used his relationship with Meyer to work out a deal with North Texas. Steve Addazio went to Meyer after being let go as an OC. Now he's HC at Temple. Charlie Strong? He went from DC at South Carolina (a good job) to DC at Florida (a better job, same position). Dan Mullen went from Utah's QB coach to Florida's OC/QB. Whittingham (if you are counting him - he was Meyer's at Utah) also went bing-bing-bing promotion.
Greg Brandon, incidentally, went from Utah to HC at BG, and then to that mess at Virginia, and now he's lost in Wyoming. Mike Sanford? Yeesh. Can't imagine a bigger train wreck. Tim Beckman's on the Meyer Tree, but the bulk of his opportunity came at Okie State.
So, out of all the stepping stones that head coaches have taken through the Meyer ranks, none of them took a demotion from Meyer in order to accomplish that (with the theoretical exception of Dan, who had to take that route for obvious and unique reasons.)
There's a reason for that.
Herman shouldn't jump (and won't, I'm confident) at the step-down when he can have a ton of fun and better opportunity remaining an OC (at ISU or elsewhere.)
This is a very good point. But how many of those assistants took a straight-line demotion to work their way up in that?
Dan McCarney went from BCS school to released, and used his relationship with Meyer to work out a deal with North Texas. Steve Addazio went to Meyer after being let go as an OC. Now he's HC at Temple. Charlie Strong? He went from DC at South Carolina (a good job) to DC at Florida (a better job, same position). Dan Mullen went from Utah's QB coach to Florida's OC/QB. Whittingham (if you are counting him - he was Meyer's at Utah) also went bing-bing-bing promotion.
Greg Brandon, incidentally, went from Utah to HC at BG, and then to that mess at Virginia, and now he's lost in Wyoming. Mike Sanford? Yeesh. Can't imagine a bigger train wreck. Tim Beckman's on the Meyer Tree, but the bulk of his opportunity came at Okie State.
So, out of all the stepping stones that head coaches have taken through the Meyer ranks, none of them took a demotion from Meyer in order to accomplish that (with the theoretical exception of Dan, who had to take that route for obvious and unique reasons.)
There's a reason for that.
Herman shouldn't jump (and won't, I'm confident) at the step-down when he can have a ton of fun and better opportunity remaining an OC (at ISU or elsewhere.)
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I'm glad somebody got that. I didn't think my post was that ambiguous, but I guess I needed to spell out what I was saying more clearly.
I'm glad somebody got that. I didn't think my post was that ambiguous, but I guess I needed to spell out what I was saying more clearly.
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I would hate to lose Herman right now with the potential that our offense has going into next year. It would also kill program continuity AGAIN, and even though I think our overall talent will be higher next year there would be the learning curve all over again. Right now we have a lot of young guys on offense who have a year of significant playing time under their belts and they looked like the light was turning on at the end of the year.
I would hate to lose Herman right now with the potential that our offense has going into next year. It would also kill program continuity AGAIN, and even though I think our overall talent will be higher next year there would be the learning curve all over again. Right now we have a lot of young guys on offense who have a year of significant playing time under their belts and they looked like the light was turning on at the end of the year.
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This is what happens when you are an assistant at a program that wins a national title. See Gene Chizik, Charlie Strong, Dan McCarney, Lane Kiffen, Bo Pelini, Kevin Sumlin, Gary Barnett, Mark Mangino, Dan Mullen, Ed Orgeron, Jimbo Fisher, Randy Shannon, and the list goes on and on.....
Important thing to note.... None of these guys were position coaches. Every single one of them was an OC or a DC on a national championship team.
This is what happens when you are an assistant at a program that wins a national title. See Gene Chizik, Charlie Strong, Dan McCarney, Lane Kiffen, Bo Pelini, Kevin Sumlin, Gary Barnett, Mark Mangino, Dan Mullen, Ed Orgeron, Jimbo Fisher, Randy Shannon, and the list goes on and on.....
Important thing to note.... None of these guys were position coaches. Every single one of them was an OC or a DC on a national championship team.
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QFT.
I fully understand and accept that if we are successful CTH will move on to greener pastures. However, for the sake of our program we need a few more years to get the system to a point where it's on auto-pilot.
Part of the reason Iowa has been so successful is that KOK and Parker have been there for so long they all know exactly what their schemes are going to be.
QFT.
I fully understand and accept that if we are successful CTH will move on to greener pastures. However, for the sake of our program we need a few more years to get the system to a point where it's on auto-pilot.
Part of the reason Iowa has been so successful is that KOK and Parker have been there for so long they all know exactly what their schemes are going to be.
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Unfortunately, I don't think we have an OC heir apparent on staff either.
Unfortunately, I don't think we have an OC heir apparent on staff either.
