This is basically what Mizzou is doing to itself if it joins the SEC. Everyone knows Mizzou-Florida and Mizzou-Georgia are bitter rivals with a long history.
Mizzou to SEC "inevitable and imminent"
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Adding 2-3 teams now to get back to twelve depending on what Mizzou does may be a short term monetary loss for the Big 12 teams, but this is a realignment opportunity that will not be in front of us again if we choose to do something later.
WVU and Louisville are begging, BEGGING, for a way out of the Big East. Having a full stable of 12 teams in the league at the time of Tier I renegotiation is very important, and acting NOW ensures that.
Do not wait. Move.
WVU and Louisville are begging, BEGGING, for a way out of the Big East. Having a full stable of 12 teams in the league at the time of Tier I renegotiation is very important, and acting NOW ensures that.
Do not wait. Move.
We need to add Louisville and West Virginia now. If Mizzou leaves, then pick up whoever is available from BYU, Cinci, Tulane...ect.
No reason to sit back and let Louisville and WV get away from us, they are the only 2 valuable teams left that are a good fit for the Big 12.
No reason to sit back and let Louisville and WV get away from us, they are the only 2 valuable teams left that are a good fit for the Big 12.
The "iron-cladness" of the deal has NOTHING to do with when it is signed. It has to do with the fact that the Big 12 would NOW (not last year, but NOW) own the rights to the schools games and the school no longer owns those rights. Therefore, if the school changes conferences, they do not have the rights to those games. That means the conference gets the money from their games and can distribute it as they see fit (i.e, not to the school leaving). The point is that they are agreeing to it this year. That they didn't last year means NOTHING. (The contract doesn't have a clause that says, "Since this was agreed to in 2011 instead of 2010, blah, blah, blah...").
Go back to Tigerboard if you want to use Tigerboard logic. We here on CF actually use real logic.
His question is fair. Why didn't they do it last year? I know the answer, but I want everyone to be able to figure it out for themselves.
Why don't you keep your shallow, condesconding crap off of this board? You are the exact reason i left CR years ago AAC. Seriously - go away.
But his question has nothing to do with future stability of the conference, nor how iron-clad the rights deal is.
Big Reason WHY - Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Missouri still wanted to have their options open. Oklahoma has evaluated their options and has found (rightly so) that the Big 12 is the best place for them. The other two have left (either officially or rumored).
So as for future stability, the remaining schools ARE signing the rights deal and are committed to the conference. The unstable schools will be gone.
I'm pretty sure West Virginia is waiting on Mizzou. If Mizzou stays in the Big 12, then WV will likely be the 14th team for the SEC.
Well done, exactly right. The only reason Oklahoma and Texas want this now is because they no longer have options.
Oklahoma can't go to the Pac 10 with Oklahoma State dragging it down. Door slammed shut, otherwise Oklahoma was GONE.
Texas can't go anywhere with Longhorn Network and Texas Tech dragging it down. Doors slammed shut, otherwise Texas was GONE.
They now know they can't go anywhere else, so they want to remove that option for all other schools, too. The message to Iowa State and others is: we have to stay, so you do, too. And Missouri, said, uh no, we have options, so F you.
It's a serious question...I really don't know why. Did they not have the votes for conference control of TV rights after NU and CU left? It just seems like a pretty straightforward way to keep everyone in the tent (even if it is by force)...much more effectively than bigger buyouts.
My guess is that UT and OU wanted to keep their options open and not tie themselves to a conference that was in risk of collapse (if the other left).
Either way, a rights deal in 2010 would have kept ATM and MU on board, and the Big 12 together...at least for a few more years. I still think that as the expiration of the rights deal approaches, speculation about UT (to the Pac 12) or OU (a pkg deal with OKSt. to the SEC) will increase, and you'll go through all of this again.
For sure. Anyone who trusts Oklahoma and Texas is an idiot. They will screw ISU over without a second thought.
You can't stack top 10 programs in one league . . why?
It's a Ying and Yang thing . . Somebody would have to lose.
ISU is a useful village idiot. ISU, Kansas, whoever else . . . serve as chew toys for the big boys. They need us as much as we need them. Think about it.
I don't believe that Texas wants to go anywhere else. They want to be in the Big 12. They want to be in a Big 12 with OU though. They would have signed over the rights last year.
If Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State don't want to do this, they could block it, but it is not in our best interest. We need this conference to be stable. So I don't see it the same way you do.
OU is the only one left that would not have signed it last year.
Yes you're right, they need chew toys. But every conference has chew toys. Not unique to Big 12. OU would be perfectly happy chewing on Wazzou instead of ISU.
If you think that extension of the rights will not be part of the new ABC deal, then you are crazy. ABC will require it. We will not be going though this again for that very reason.
Also, UT does NOT want to leave Big 12. That is evident.
OU does not want to go to SEC. Why would they want to go to tougher conference for less money (once they have their own TV deal)?
But they have fewer obstacles to BCS in Big 12. More chew toys (as a pct of teams). So if they have to play Texas and OSU (and Oregon AND USC), it gets much tougher to make it to title game.
Plus, they will get just as much money once they have own network and new Big 12 deal with ABC.
Between your avatar and this, you sir, are my favorite poster no matter what your posts consist of.:biggrin:
Yep I'm in total agreement! Keep that up and you'll be getting rep just as often as I can throw it your way!
