OU is just a couple hours north of DFW. Its unlikely they'll quit playing UT even if they end up in separate conferences. I doubt OU loses much by not playing in middle of nowhere Lubbock or in Waco. And they'll still likely be on national tv most weeks.
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OU is just a couple hours north of DFW. Its unlikely they'll quit playing UT even if they end up in separate conferences. I doubt OU loses much by not playing in middle of nowhere Lubbock or in Waco. And they'll still likely be on national tv most weeks.
In the timeline the last date noted was 8/15, but the next update wasn't dated and referred to the Labor Day weekend and events that would occur after the holiday. The post was from last night at around 7:30
Looks like he came back on 9/2 and confirmed that some work would happen over the weekend, but pretty much confirmed what OU said and decision would come this coming week. Essentially that this soap opera will be over this week.
I no longer have a good feeling about this situation any more. I felt really good by the comments the AD's and such made in August regarding the Big 12. I hope some of these comments did not turn any school off, especially the ones by the TTech AD who was extremely optimistic and talking relatively openingly regarding expansion. But somewhere, things went south really fast and I just feel that this is the end. In the end, all of these school can make this conference work if they didn't constantly have one foot out the door.
I still don't see how Texas Tech fits in the Pac-12. Academically, Texas Tech just does not fit in with those schools....at all. I know that money is a big thing, but I just feel like enough of the heavy academic hitters in the Pac-12 would balk at them entering the conference. I know that Nebraska's academics were extremely weak for the Big 10, but they had a handful of national championships to make that pill go down a bit smoother.
The thing is that this can still work. We all can still make a lot of money. OU can still win national titles here. We just need them to calm the **** down.
OU doesnt fit academically, do you think that will stop them from joining?
Same situation with Nebby to the Big 10.
Same argument with Oklahoma as Nebby....a few national titles makes the pill go down smoother. And there is a lot of distance between Oklahoma and Tech academically.
Well now you are saying if you have national power history you can join. Which I understand because its all money and football. But if OU didnt have there football history they would not be leaps and bounds ahead of TT academically. There isnt many current BIg 12 schools with much academic rep but UT, ISU, Mizzou, Baylor.
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IMO the fact the OU president told the media his schools was listening to offers means the Big 12 is done. OU is just trying to make sure they can leverage the best deal from the SEC & Pac 12 and determine who else they are looking to add.
I think behind the scenes this is being driven by the networks. They can't continue to pay 2x to 3x prior rights contracts. This way they only have divide their money up 4 ways instead of 6.
The way I see it there are 68 BCS teams in the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, ACC, Big East, Pac 12 and ND/BYU. With 4 mega conferences there will 4 teams left out in the cold. I would say the 6 teams on the outside looking in are: ISU, Baylor, KSU, Rutgers, South FL and Cincinnati.
Based on whats out there & speculation on my part here's what I think happens:
ACC - adds Pitt, UConn & Syacuse: They still need 1 team
Big 10 - adds KU & Mizzou: They still need 2 teams
Pac 12 - adds Texas, Texas Tech, OU & OSU: They're done
SEC - adds A&M, Louisville & W. Va: Still need 1 team
IMO the keys are:
The other key will be existing Big 10 schools. Like it or not- the University of Iowa, Board of Regents and political powers to be in Iowa could have a strong lobbying influence to push ISU's case. I also think President Geoffrey's ties to PSU, President Jiske at Purdue and Jamie Pollard's connections at Wisconsin could help a lot. I would hope all these would factor much more than the state of Kansas saying KU/KSU are a package deal.
I still not convinced everyone will go to 16 teams. IMO the first couple conference probably can get to 16 teams- the last two might stop at 14 teams.
IMO the fact the OU president told the media his schools was listening to offers means the Big 12 is done. OU is just trying to make sure they can leverage the best deal from the SEC & Pac 12 and determine who else they are looking to add.
I think behind the scenes this is being driven by the networks. They can't continue to pay 2x to 3x prior rights contracts. This way they only have divide their money up 4 ways instead of 6.
The way I see it there are 68 BCS teams in the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, ACC, Big East, Pac 12 and ND/BYU. With 4 mega conferences there will 4 teams left out in the cold. I would say the 6 teams on the outside looking in are: ISU, Baylor, KSU, Rutgers, South FL and Cincinnati.
Based on whats out there & speculation on my part here's what I think happens:
ACC - adds Pitt, UConn & Syacuse: They still need 1 team
Big 10 - adds KU & Mizzou: They still need 2 teams
Pac 12 - adds Texas, Texas Tech, OU & OSU: They're done
SEC - adds A&M, Louisville & W. Va: Still need 1 team
IMO the keys are:
- What does ND do? If the Big East blows up do they stay independent in FB & join a hoops league comprised of Catholic colleges without FB like Marquette, Depaul, Providence, Georgetown, SLU, etc? If they do decide to join a conference I think ND has choices. The Big 10 is the obvious. But I think they may be a better fit for the ACC.
- Does the Pac 12 really want Texas Tech? I think they MUCH would rather have BYU. But if Texas/TT is a package deal, then the Pac 12 does what it takes to get the Longhorns.
- I think the talk about Mizzou going to the SEC may be real. I don't see many other good choices for the SEC to get to 16 teams. It could also be Mizzou's way to let the Big 10 know they have options. I believe Mizzou would much rather be in the Big 10 than the SEC.
The other key will be existing Big 10 schools. Like it or not- the University of Iowa, Board of Regents and political powers to be in Iowa could have a strong lobbying influence to push ISU's case. I also think President Geoffrey's ties to PSU, President Jiske at Purdue and Jamie Pollard's connections at Wisconsin could help a lot. I would hope all these would factor much more than the state of Kansas saying KU/KSU are a package deal.
I still not convinced everyone will go to 16 teams. IMO the first couple conference probably can get to 16 teams- the last two might stop at 14 teams.
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According to Mondo:
PAC-12 takes OSU, OU, KS, and TTech, (+CO)
SEC takes A&M and MU
Which leaves ISU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Texas??
Texas NOT going to Pac-16? If not, do they partner with ND to build their own conference from scratch, go independent, or try to rebuild Big XII?
Seems awfully strange that Texas would not go with OU and that the Pac-16 would include Tech.
PAC-12 takes OSU, OU, KS, and TTech, (+CO)
SEC takes A&M and MU
Which leaves ISU, Baylor, Kansas State, and Texas??
Texas NOT going to Pac-16? If not, do they partner with ND to build their own conference from scratch, go independent, or try to rebuild Big XII?
Seems awfully strange that Texas would not go with OU and that the Pac-16 would include Tech.
I don't think Scott cares what 4 he gets out of UT, Mizzou, KU, OU, TTech & OSU as long as he gets either OU or UT. He just wants 4 more with that one big name.
I also don't buy OU needs UT for recruiting. Heck OU was in the Big 8 for how many years without any Texas schools. They seemed to do OK back then.
Bottom line, Scott will take what he can get as long as one of them is UT or OU. If he can get both...even better.
I also don't buy OU needs UT for recruiting. Heck OU was in the Big 8 for how many years without any Texas schools. They seemed to do OK back then.
Bottom line, Scott will take what he can get as long as one of them is UT or OU. If he can get both...even better.
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