Pete Carroll, Charlie Weiss, Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells. That would be my short list. I think we could get any of those guys to come to Iowa State for $1.1 Million.
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Pete Carroll, Charlie Weiss, Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells. That would be my short list. I think we could get any of those guys to come to Iowa State for $1.1 Million.
I've been a Mac backer for a long time, but my loyalty to him is wavering. We're about 4 plays away from being 0-6, regardless of what the record actually is. I'm tired of not feeling comfortable with a lead in the 4th quarter. I'm tired of watching this team play down to the competition they're against. McCarney is playing with fire in playing the conservative gameplans against freaking WEAK TEAMS, and he's going to get burned, much like he got burned against KU last year and MU the year before.
This team is NOT winning the North this year, so your argument is moot. We're going to get killed by MU, Tech, OU and either NU or KU. I'd like to be proven wrong, but I don't see it happening. They're not going to win 7 games this year, so as for an answer for you, yes, I can justify canning Mac at that point.
Your argument to me is that we aren't winning the way that you want to, but that we are winning. I bet that one would get you far. And then your second basis is an argument based on your prediction. Sorry, I don't even know how to respond to you as I can not prove the future to you.
You seriously have to ask if he's serious? Go look up there pay grade and then come back.
You're the one tossing the "what ifs" out there, not me.
So, since you're "hypothetically" predicting that we're going to win the north and I'm responding with a "prediction" as well, you don't even know how to respond to me?
I'm telling you how the season is going to go, not predicting it. :wink0st:
Oh I know, thats why I am asking. Not accusing him of it, but there are some ignorant people who would make that statement and mean it! After looking at his past posts now, I know he is playing!
Everyone keeps talking about the next level. Iowa wants to get to the next level too. So does every other team in D1. What is the next level. I see consistent improvement over the years. If we went 7-5 this year I would say we had a better season than last year. If we go 8-4 or 9-3 I would say we have acheived that next level. If we get to 8-4 9-3 will we still want to fire mac cause we didn't win the national championship? Our team is competitive. We have a shot to win every game. Will we ...i doubt it but thats why they play the games.
I view getting top recruits to come to Iowa State as the biggest issue with why the football team seems to sputter at times. Do we need a roster full of 5 and 4 stars like texas. No but a few would help our depth out.
Look at safety right now. We are a little thin. When you switch a senior wide reciever over to saftey you know you are thin. Thats why I have been thinking we have 10 yard cushions with our CB's. If they get by the CB's the safteys will get burned too.
Recruiting for basketball is much different than for football. Our basketball arena, tradition, and atmosphere are all respectable and even nationally reputeable as far as atmosphere is concerned (granted our practice facilities are terrible). If we give Dan McCarney an equal footing facilities wise and an atmosphere nationally recognized like Hilton then we will see what is what. If Dan McCarney coached Texas would Texas all of the sudden go down the toilet? I doubt it.
Listen to what the recruits from texas had to say before the texas game. Read between the lines. If you were from texas would your first, second, third fourth, or fifth place to go play be Iowa state. I doubt it.
My point is...before you trash our program like its crap under your shoes have some perspective. Should you be satisfied? NO. Should you walk around ashamed to be a cyclone fan? NO.
I would have worn the colors to work the next day even if we had lost to UNI. Thats what it takes if you want other people to be cyclone fans. No one wants to be a fan or come to games when all they see is constant complaining.
I view getting top recruits to come to Iowa State as the biggest issue with why the football team seems to sputter at times. Do we need a roster full of 5 and 4 stars like texas. No but a few would help our depth out.
Look at safety right now. We are a little thin. When you switch a senior wide reciever over to saftey you know you are thin. Thats why I have been thinking we have 10 yard cushions with our CB's. If they get by the CB's the safteys will get burned too.
Recruiting for basketball is much different than for football. Our basketball arena, tradition, and atmosphere are all respectable and even nationally reputeable as far as atmosphere is concerned (granted our practice facilities are terrible). If we give Dan McCarney an equal footing facilities wise and an atmosphere nationally recognized like Hilton then we will see what is what. If Dan McCarney coached Texas would Texas all of the sudden go down the toilet? I doubt it.
Listen to what the recruits from texas had to say before the texas game. Read between the lines. If you were from texas would your first, second, third fourth, or fifth place to go play be Iowa state. I doubt it.
My point is...before you trash our program like its crap under your shoes have some perspective. Should you be satisfied? NO. Should you walk around ashamed to be a cyclone fan? NO.
I would have worn the colors to work the next day even if we had lost to UNI. Thats what it takes if you want other people to be cyclone fans. No one wants to be a fan or come to games when all they see is constant complaining.
hey, maybe if wait long enough, iowa fans get frustrated with ferentz and fire him. he could take us to the next level...:wink0st:
So what you are saying is that our players and coaches have won 3 pretty unimpressive games, and got blown out at Texas, and blew an 11 point lead to Iowa because they were distracted by Jeremy's website.
That's pretty thin Kuney, but if I were to work under your premise, then what the hell are they doing reading this website.
That argument always makes me laugh when I read that recruits read these sites, and wouldn't want to play for a school where the fans get down on them and the coaches when they fail to play/coach up to their potential.
That is totally laughable.
But hey, I could be wrong.
I am pretty sure that we won't win 5 games, but maybe I will be proven wrong. If so, then I will say that I will buy you a beer in San Antonio or San Diego, and bow at the alter that is cycloneworld.
But what have you seen in this coach that leads you to believe that he will win these games. I mean, what has he done in the past that makes you think it will happen.
And will one of the Mac supporters please answer the question, when has Mac ever won a game against a quality opponent???
The Iowa teams that he beat, other than 2002 were NOT good teams.
He has beaten lousy Nebraska teams, and Colorado may have been ranked last year, but judging by what happened subsequently, they had quit on Barnett.
So please, just one game, I gave you Iowa in 2002 because that was ALL Seneca, that he has won where his team was overmatched, but still he led them to a victory.
We have ALL KINDS OF EXAMPLES WHERE HIS "STYLE" COST US GAMES, but where has he won???
What other option do you think that he has??? He said he doesn't live in Iowa anymore, so he can't have the immediate impact someone who lives in Ames does.
He has expressed his concerns to the proper authority JP and apparently he hasn't gotten answers that satisfy him, so I have no problem with that.
I, however, still contribute my $$$, but I have to admit that I am looking very seriously to at least decreasing what I am giving due to my own dissatisfaction with the way the FB program is being run.
It's like everything else sir, you have to vote with your pocketbook.
Where is this consistent improvement you speak of? Let's review his tenure at ISU. Mac basically got a free pass for the first five years of his reign given the horrible state of the program when he inherited it. He started to turn the corner in 1998 and 1999 before hitting paydirt with a 9-3 season in 2000. In the 5+ years since that season, his record is 33-34. He was unable to win a North Division title despite having a "cake schedule" that did not include bowl teams such as Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech. The only thing consistent about Mac is that he has continued to let teams come back from double-digit deficits (often with a backup QB at the helm) and he's a proven master at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I yearn for a Mac-supporter to explain how a coach with a losing record over the past five years (33-34) can be so highly thought of that it's ludicrous to speak of replacing him.
Given that it's central to this discussion, I repeat: Since the watershed 9-3 record in 2000, Mac's record at ISU is 33-34!
Matt,
I have been calling for a change since 2003. I admit that I have never thought that Mac was an especially good coach ( taking the ball first in OT against Wyoming, then being quoted in a national magazine that they did that because they didn't understand the rules made all of the guys that I coached with in San Antonio laugh), but I respect that he has put together a foundation that can get you to a 6 win plateau.
But to never win the big game, NOTHING ever MEANINGFUL that can put the program on the map in 12 years is awful.
And to those who say that change will set us back, I would say that this is true, short term, but what if we take it to another level with a better coach than we have now. Then what would all of the people from the bunker say???
Plus we need a big time recruiter. My only concern is that we're not going to attract such a candidate unless we're willing to open up the check book.
AMEN, but facts get in the way for some of the people on this site. Jeremy gets crucified for exposing the crap that we have seen for the past 5 weeks, but its ok to have people question your loyalty as a fan when you call Mac out, or say that I am not going to give any more money until there are changes.
In short, a great way to describe the current coach.
Boy, another way to describe the Iowa State head coach! Mac had not bad mouthed ISU. It's Pollard who has stated many times that ISU lacks the facilities and money needed to consistently compete in the Big 12. Key word is consistently. Yes, we'll have good years once in a while, yet to be a consistent power in the Big 12, we need the facilities and dollars.
Didn't our head coach learn under both Hayden Fry and Barry Alvarez?
Boy Darts...you just decribed Dan McCarney to a T! :biggrin9gp:
Thanks for reminding me that I omitted that one, I figure the dynamic personality will get that part done.
Oh I think that the money will be there if JP really needs it.
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