ISU looking into incident that involves Sims
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Please don't excuse drunk driving. EVERY time you drink and drive you are putting people in increased danger. Period.
It's probably not up to her. The offender is defrauding the credit card company.
Hey, just trying to pass the blame here. For what its worth Im half way done w/ my NCAA 2011 season and he isn't doing very well and as we all know that is a great indicator of how an actual season goes.
I assume you are referring to...
the Satterfield/Everson situation. If so, you do realize that the victim was a female athlete, and sought recourse through her coach/Iowa administration. KF had no contact with the victim whatsoever, with the exception of a meeting that the victim and her parents requested that he attend, over his objections. The review done by the external firm validated this, that neither Barta or Ferentz wanted to attend that meeting, because they knew there was nothing they could or should add to the situation. KF is not the police, he did what was under his control in suspending and then dismissing Satterfield and Everson from the team. The two of them never participated in another football-related activity at Iowa once the charges were made.
I would agree that the whole policy of the victim having the option of pursuing an "internal solution" in place at that time at the UI was ridiculous. If someone thinks a crime has been committed against them, the school should refer the victim to the police. Period.
the Satterfield/Everson situation. If so, you do realize that the victim was a female athlete, and sought recourse through her coach/Iowa administration. KF had no contact with the victim whatsoever, with the exception of a meeting that the victim and her parents requested that he attend, over his objections. The review done by the external firm validated this, that neither Barta or Ferentz wanted to attend that meeting, because they knew there was nothing they could or should add to the situation. KF is not the police, he did what was under his control in suspending and then dismissing Satterfield and Everson from the team. The two of them never participated in another football-related activity at Iowa once the charges were made.
I would agree that the whole policy of the victim having the option of pursuing an "internal solution" in place at that time at the UI was ridiculous. If someone thinks a crime has been committed against them, the school should refer the victim to the police. Period.
That is false, as absolutes almost always are. It is quite possible to drive down a short stretch of road, encountering no other vehicles, obeying all safety regulations, i.e. not increasing danger for yourself or any other human being (obviously talking side or country roads here, not interstates and well traveled highways). I understand your point but dealing in absolutes is just silly.
Would you say the same for driving while tired, on the phone, fooling with a radio, distracting kids in the backseat, etc? It is entirely normal for folks to deal with these distractions and things that slow down reaction time while driving perfectly competently and not increasing the danger for anyone on the road, including themselves. However, all of these things, like driving with too much alcohol in the system, can increase danger, but it is not a guarantee that they will.
Hey, just trying to pass the blame here. For what its worth Im half way done w/ my NCAA 2011 season and he isn't doing very well and as we all know that is a great indicator of how an actual season goes.Plus side is AROB is leading candidate for heisman.
Hey me too, just finished.. Except he single-handedly won the Iowa game for us.. My plus side - We beat West Virginia in the Fiesta Bowl and went 13-1. This is almost sure to happen.
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Absolutely correct. Innocent or not it just looks bad and we all know that the judge and the jury in todays society is public opinion.
Absolutely correct. Innocent or not it just looks bad and we all know that the judge and the jury in todays society is public opinion.
Agree that absolutes are almost always false. You learn that in elementary school!
I'll take a little different approach here. Drunk driving is ALWAYS bad. But what is "drunk". The man says that everyone is drunk at a .08. That is saying that everyone is the same. And that is flat out false. Everyone reacts differently to almost everything. And what about tolerance? They need to focus more on the sobriety test, and less on the blood alcohol level. If im at a .08 you wouldnt know it at all. Not at all. But my friend Kiley would be staggering all over the place. We are at the exact same B.A.L. with very different symptoms. It isnt fair or logical to assume that everyone is impaired at the magical .08.
Drunk driving is inexcusable. But what is "drunk"?
Good differentiation between "drunk" and BAL. Unfortunately, BAL is the only objective measure. For example, how do you measure "staggering-ness" or "slurring-ness of speech"? And if you can objectively measure things like that how do you determine how much is too much?
Why is a thread about the Sims situation getting derailed by discussion about drunk driving?
Thats what I was thinking!Why is a thread about the Sims situation getting derailed by discussion about drunk driving?
Well, they have pretty specific guidelines for the sobriety tests. Counting, satnding on one foot for X amt of time, the eye flutter test, etc. Those are fairly objective. I say fairly because they obviously arent totally objective. Im not sure if this is something that can be objectively measured because there cant really be a standard as everyone is so different. Tolerance absolutely plays a part in this. Among other things. Cops really need to use common sense. (common sense is lacking in this country)
I suppose they use .08 to be on the safe side. Better safe than sorry. But that is yet another contradiction to a "free country".
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This is not true, even the report indicated that. If so, who told them they wanted to handle it internally?
USA Today does not necessarily agree with your comments that Ferentz and Barta knew nothing!!!!
Mother: Iowa wanted sexual assault kept quiet - USATODAY.com
Not sure if you read the mothers letter on this incident, but, as a parent, it appears heart felt and accurate and more importantly - BELIEVABLE. Obviously, emotions play a big hand in this incident, but, Kirk Ferentz did meet with the victim prior to the final meeting that was requested by the mother. There is a reason why DJK was asked to move into that room with 18 hours of the incident and told to clean it up good before he move in. According to police reports he threw away a used, bloody condom and a blood soaked matress.....guess who ordered DJK in that room - Kirk Ferentz.....your telling me he didnt know....it must be purely coincidence that a room that sat vacant for nearly 4 months suddenly needed an occupant.
Either way, i agree with you, anyone who tries to move an incident in a direction of handled internally on something as serious as RAPE is way beyond help in terms of ethics...i would guarantee that if that girl that got raped was his daughter it would have been handled differently!!!!
This is not true, even the report indicated that. If so, who told them they wanted to handle it internally?
USA Today does not necessarily agree with your comments that Ferentz and Barta knew nothing!!!!
Mother: Iowa wanted sexual assault kept quiet - USATODAY.com
Not sure if you read the mothers letter on this incident, but, as a parent, it appears heart felt and accurate and more importantly - BELIEVABLE. Obviously, emotions play a big hand in this incident, but, Kirk Ferentz did meet with the victim prior to the final meeting that was requested by the mother. There is a reason why DJK was asked to move into that room with 18 hours of the incident and told to clean it up good before he move in. According to police reports he threw away a used, bloody condom and a blood soaked matress.....guess who ordered DJK in that room - Kirk Ferentz.....your telling me he didnt know....it must be purely coincidence that a room that sat vacant for nearly 4 months suddenly needed an occupant.
Either way, i agree with you, anyone who tries to move an incident in a direction of handled internally on something as serious as RAPE is way beyond help in terms of ethics...i would guarantee that if that girl that got raped was his daughter it would have been handled differently!!!!
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Yeah, sorry. I didnt start the hijack. Was just participating in it. :smile:
Probably hard to keep an 80,000 page thread on topic.
Its not that hard to pass out credit cards. Most places dont make you even sign if its under $25-$50. Also a lot of places dont look at the name on the card. I've worked in the grocery stores before, and we don't have people sign under 25 dollars and never check the name on the card.
This doesnt excuse it though. Stupd, stupid decision by him/them.
This doesnt excuse it though. Stupd, stupid decision by him/them.
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