2010 - 2011.... The year Cyclone basketball officially dies.
It's on life support right now but we may as well pull the plug if this is true. :sad:
GMAC Is well Respected by Peers and Media
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2010 - 2011.... The year Cyclone basketball officially dies.
It's on life support right now but we may as well pull the plug if this is true. :sad:
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You may think that because you want to beleive it. The B12 is no tougher now than anytime in the last 5-8 years.
This is such a lame argument. When have you ever heard another coach in a conference come out and say they did not "respect" a coach? Seriously, give us all one example. Name one coach in any conference that is not respected by the other coaches. Name one coach that other coaches in the conference have ever said about him that "he just doesn't know how to coach" or "he can't recruit". Come on! As far as the media goes......I have seen and heard a lot of media people talk about GMac's abilities to coach too.......BEFORE HE CAME TO ISU. I don't recall any media saying what a good coaching job he has done here at ISU. Also, his coaching peers in the Big 12 thought he was such a good coach, that for their pre-season predictions, they picked ISU to finish 8th in the conference, despite having 3 of 5 starters back (including a likely NBA draft pick), and the coaches' pick for Preseason Newcomer of the year. Turns out they were too optimistic, but I think their opinion of how ISU would finish says more about what they truly think of GMac's coaching ability at this level than anything they might spit out to the media or others.
I think GMac is a good coach too.....for a mid-major school or below. I do not think he is a good coach at a Big 12 school. I do think that he had some early success in recruiting. But it does no good to recruit great athletes if you cannot make them play as a team and win. Also, I do not see that recruiting success continuing. Look at this next year's class. Nothing outstanding there......plus he is going back to recruiting JC players. Looks to me more like a coach trying to save his job rather than build a program.
Orr was at least building the program by Year 5. There was a reason for believing the team would be competitive.
If this team was getting major contributions from freshmen and sophomores and playing close, maybe you can make that argument. Instead, the only legit Big 12-caliber players on the team are moving on.
The year before Greg came in we were 16-14. At that point we lost 90% of that team. It was the equivalent of the death penalty.
Matt & Miller were talking last night on their show about Miller's source saying that GMac will be back at ISU next year.:no:
He expects JP to come out sometime prior to the Big XII tourney and give a supportive statement on GMac's behalf to try to stop or slow the bleeding that is ISU MBB.
Yes, I do.
Please tell me how we are not the equivalent of ISU football of the 80s and 90s. I swear the other team would be eating hot dogs on the bench just like Oklahoma if they got served.
17-46 in the conference under McD. 17-46. Yes, I am sure we are getting the maximum effort out of our opponents. Why who wouldn't be intimidated by a 27% conference winning percentage. Why we must scare the hell out of all foes that come into Hilton Coliseum.
Oh, wait, didn't we set a record for most home losses this year? Yeah. My argument sure is weak. Right.........
Was this the team with Clark, Jiri, Freshman WJ, and Taylor? If it was, there is your answer.
2009-10: Worst year for Cyclone Basketball in 25 years. (Orrs first season).
Let's keep this going, it looks like its really headed in the right direction.
Let's keep this going, it looks like its really headed in the right direction.
Please, enough with the excuses. I'm sure Mac is a nice guy and maybe even a decent coach in the right situation, but at ISU he's done absolutely nothing but take us from a pretty good program to the basement of the conference. Coaches are a tight knit and loyal group and you rarely ever hear coaches criticize each other, only praise each other because it makes them look better whether they win or lose against that coach. And how is more time for Mac going to solve anything? If we lose Brackins, Gilstrap, or both as is likely, many of this year's close games will turn into blow-outs next year. He has failed to develop good point guards, and I don't see anybody in the system right now to change that. Colvin has actually regressed as his pt has gone up this year.
I'm truly at a loss at your logic, or lack thereof. Does ISU intimidate other teams? Doubtful. Do other teams think we have a chance to beat them? You bet your *** they do, and I guarantee coaches like Bill Self, Frank Martin, and Rick Barnes make damn sure of that. Those guys didn't get to the level they are at by allowing their teams to half-*** it. The fact that you think otherwise tells me all I need to know about your comprehension of organized sports.
Of course other Big 12 coaches will speak in glowing terms about Mcdermott:
1. Coaches almost always compliment each unless there is bad blood.
2. It is in the other Big 12 coaches best interest to keep Mcdermott at ISU. Our program is in the worst shape it has been since the 70's under GM.
Honestly, this stuff is common sense.
1. Coaches almost always compliment each unless there is bad blood.
2. It is in the other Big 12 coaches best interest to keep Mcdermott at ISU. Our program is in the worst shape it has been since the 70's under GM.
Honestly, this stuff is common sense.
What do you expect these other coaches to say? I think that coaches, especially within the conference, are a pretty tight knit fraternity. They, unlike anyone else, know how difficult it is to coach. They will throw their support at him, and claim he has a great basketball mind, ect., but the fact of the matter remains the same...we can't seem to win with him here as our basketball coach.
Perhaps I didn't word my argument the way I wanted to. What I meant to imply was coaches don't go around saying other coaches are great when they're not with hopes that the school will use their statement as a glowing endorsement, making the school want to keep the coach around, for two reasons - first, coaches have a lot more to worry about, such as upcoming opponents and correcting their own teams' mistakes, to worry about whether a rival school will keep a poor coach with the hopes that their statement will influence that decision. In other words, considering coaches spend just about every waking moment consumed about the state of their own program, their a little bit more worried about the state of their own program to worry about what's going on in other programs. Second, I would think these coaches would know that such statements wouldn't be held with a shred of credibility with those making firing decisions, so why waste the time.
Yes, coaches do say nice things at press conferences, but not because they're looking for easy wins on their schedule, because coaching is a fraternity and most of the coaches do truly care for one another, at least as far as respect goes.
More like the stuff conspiracy theories are made of. I'm sure the other coaches have more important things to worry about, like winning basketball games, than to worry about whether such statements will cause a school to keep a coach around that will make their schedule easier...
Huh? What time or effort does it take for Bill Self or Rick Barnes to spend 30-60 seconds at a post-game presser talking up Gmac?
None at all.
