Did they really screw it up or did KState just make a great play when they needed to? The hold was fine and the kick was fine as well. Just give credit where credit is due on that play.
This loss is on all 3 units... like it or not
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Did they really screw it up or did KState just make a great play when they needed to? The hold was fine and the kick was fine as well. Just give credit where credit is due on that play.
I can't believe we were blocking it correctly. Maybe K-State made a good play to boot, but we're talking about one of the most routine plays there is in football.
This team has been young for 3 years now. At what point does it grow up? They have been playing together for 2 and 3 years now. This team struggles at most things and make the game look hard for a 4th year now. Watch other teams play, they play the game and make it look easy.
"Young" in terms that many are under their third head coach and coordinator in three or four years. The defense is senior laden, but beyond that are a great many freshmen. The offense is beginning to mature (and will really come into it's own next season), but some of the key players are (injured) sophs. Young doesn't really do it any more, inexperience in a complicated system does.
Correct. According to everyone, including Rhoads himself, we did nothing wrong on that extra point. The snap was good, the kick was a good trajectory and right down the middle. The line blocked it fine, but a 6"4" kid from KSU with outstanding leaping ability, who has already blocked one FG this year, made a very athletic play, got his hand up, timed it perfect, and somehow the ball went right where his hand was. Unbelievable.
As for this offense... I'm just as confused as anyone else. Why does it seem like we're always throwing into double coverage? I agree with the other poster, someone has to be open in this offense. That last TD pass to Jake should never have been thrown by a good QB. He was blanketed by double coverage. AA is just struggling mightily and we can only hope he figures it out.... or else Tiller might be playing earlier than we thought.
And our defense played great. The one bad play they had, the 2nd to last TD by KSU, was a bad call by Burnham. He choose to only rush 3 guys. KSU's QB had all day and he burned us. KSU's last TD was a total fluke. We had a great rush on him, he escaped it, and threw a prayer into good double coverage that Sims should have gotten a hand on but missed it. Overall, this defense did everything it needed to win this game. We CANNOT win games in the Big 12 without our #1 RB by throwing less than 50% completions and for only 154 yds. Sorry... it can't happen folks.
IMO, Mr. Herman right now has a lot of explaining to do to Mr. Rhoads. Everyone on this coaching staff has to be held accountable. Herman is getting good money to produce. Right now, our offense is costing us games, and if Rhoads is a good CEO, he should be asking questions. And I think Herman would agree. I would hope that Herman would give this offense a grade of "D" right now. The only reason it's not an "F", is because we've been able to run the ball some.
Its still football. Its a new system but is it that different from what they did last year? Most of the plays look the same. Sure they may have different names for this and that but its still a game a pass and catch and run and tackle.
I think our passing game is a lacking all the way around. Al_4_state is correct, our receivers are dropping far too many balls. But to say that AA isn't getting anything out of the receivers is only telling half the story. AA is a mediocre thrower at best, I'm afraid. He makes bad decisions, he is high, he is behind the receiver as much, if not more, than they drop the ball. I thought this might be rust, early season jitters. But it's game 5 and only marginal improvement in these errors. Our passing attack is sad. Suprising coming off last year where they were rather good. Perhaps a case of being behind often and being forced to pass kind of artificially inflated numbers? In a balanced attack it turns out to be the weak focus?
And what makes it even more sad is our running game is quite good. And one would think that would open up our passing game.
And what makes it even more sad is our running game is quite good. And one would think that would open up our passing game.
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Most of the plays might look the same to an untutored observer, but not only are they using only the more basic portions of the playbook, but I suspect that the reads and checkdowns are all different as well...for both qb and receivers.
Just going by what Jack Whitver said on the radio last night. He was at the game, and I suspect just might have a better background to know these things than me...:wink:
The "new system" excuse is tiring folks. Auburn's players seem to be grasping their "new system" with Malzahn just fine... putting up 40+ pts a game.
I agree, there will be some kinks to work out in a new system, but we shouldn't look completely lost out there.
Just watching this offense makes me think we really should just simplify everything. Football really is a simple game. We make it seem like it's the most difficult thing in the world to get 10 yards in three tries. It's not. So why make it that way? This isn't rocket science.
If it's really that complicated, then maybe we need to trash it and start over? Herman has said numerous times that this offense is not that complicated at all. So what's the truth?
And the other poster is correct... AA really just isn't that good of a passer. At least this year he hasn't been. Sometimes I wonder if something is wrong with him physically that we don't know about. It's gotten that bad.
Are you just too untutored to know the difference between a reason and an excuse? Or are you simply not insightful enough to realize that A. Auburn has a lot more talent than we do, and B. Auburn is getting a lot of those points simply because of their defense? :skeptical:
Auburn's players must be smarter than ours too, huh? Because Malzahn runs a complicated spread offense too, but his players can grasp it mentally while ours can't.
And you're right, I apoligize, Auburn has one of the best offenses in the country in most statistical categories because of their defense. That makes sense.:skeptical:
Talent has some to do with it but. But talent doesnt make you run the wrong plays, and be in the wrong place and making the wrong throws. It has nothing to do with making stupid penelties. It has little to do with players that cannot finish a tackle. Talent doesnt help you make the right reads.
I agree with OP this loss is on all three units. The defense gave up 24 points to a K-State offense that has struggled. Their QB was able to convert some key third downs because our D-Line couldn't get any pressure. The coaches need to find a couple JUCO defensive ends for next season or we'll continue to struggle on defense. Lyle will be a huge loss. He's the only one on the D-Line who can get to the QB.
Not if our D line allows the other teams quarterback time to play a game of solitaire before throwing the ball:no:.
This loss is on all three units. Obviously ST made a mistake. However, our defense, while they played well for the most part made two HUGE mistakes that turned into scores. One was the long TD pass when it looked like we had Gregory sacked and the other was the PI earlier in the game. Now, I do not think that ball was catchable but the contact was so blatant that we can't expect to not get that called. Our offense did not shine, but when it came dow to it they gave us a chance. I just wish our offense could move the ball like that all of the time. Yes AA had the fumble and he missed some throws but when he missed throws, they were in places the defense wasn't goig to get to them. He didn't make big mistakes while throwing the ball.
Offense:
-Drop passes
-arrant throws
-Catlett Fumble
-Recievers get some damn seperation. Besides Hamilton and Williams.
Defense:
-Smith slipping in the endzone or he would have probably swatted the pass
-D Line wrapping on when they had the chance for the sack, that led to a TD
-Wrapping up, and tackle.
Special Teams:
-Don't miss a PAT, especially blocked.
Refs:
-No call on the reciever running out of bounds then back in. That led to a pass interference.
Really missed not having Parker and A-rob.
And I really miss not having Blythe and Flynn.
-Drop passes
-arrant throws
-Catlett Fumble
-Recievers get some damn seperation. Besides Hamilton and Williams.
Defense:
-Smith slipping in the endzone or he would have probably swatted the pass
-D Line wrapping on when they had the chance for the sack, that led to a TD
-Wrapping up, and tackle.
Special Teams:
-Don't miss a PAT, especially blocked.
Refs:
-No call on the reciever running out of bounds then back in. That led to a pass interference.
Really missed not having Parker and A-rob.
And I really miss not having Blythe and Flynn.
