NBA: Williams to the Nets

CyJack13

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Williams is a hell of a pg, but the Jazz got a damn good haul for someone who was going to leave next summer anyway.
 

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Does he cross the Hudson River as soon as the season ends, like is being speculated, or do the Knicks have their hearts set on CP3?
 

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Does he cross the Hudson River as soon as the season ends, like is being speculated, or do the Knicks have their hearts set on CP3?
Knicks have major limits on what they can pay him. They would have to gut the rest of their team to own him since the cap is only about $58M and it may not be going up.
 

jdoggivjc

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How are they going to go after him now? What do they have left to trade?

Okay, I misread the part in the article about where Williams becomes a free agent next season (I kept hearing this season). The Knicks are still going to have to choose one or the other following next season.
 

CyJack13

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Okay, I misread the part in the article about where Williams becomes a free agent next season (I kept hearing this season). The Knicks are still going to have to choose one or the other following next season.

True, but with the Nets giving up this much for him I would think Williams must have indicated that he is willing to sign an extension with New Jersey. Of course he could say this, and still change his mind before then.

Chris Paul toasted at Carmelo's wedding this summer to one day running NY with Amare, he's now the only part missing.
 

CyJack13

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Looks like the two draft picks the Jazz will get are New Jersey's pick this year and Golden State's first round pick in 2012 which is top 7 protected. The New Jersey pick could easily be in the 3-6 range this year, it's not a real strong draft this year but if the Jazz end up with Kyrie Irving this could be an extremely nice haul for a player who was going to walk in a year and a half anyway.
 

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Deron Williams > Carmelo. He may not have the pizzaz of Carmelo, but if he signs an extension with the Nets this is a much better trade for the Nets.
 

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Deron Williams > Carmelo. He may not have the pizzaz of Carmelo, but if he signs an extension with the Nets this is a much better trade for the Nets.

It really depends on your perspective. First, they play two completely different positions (Melo is a SF, Williams is a PG). Second, Melo is the #5 scorer in the league, Williams is the #17 scorer. But to further that, what is the purpose of a PG supposed to be - to lead the team in scoring, or to distribute to the team's leading scorers? Third, yes, Melo is known for not being able to play defense, but D'Antonio doesn't coach defense in the first place - you think that's really a concern with him? Fourth, in a year and a half the Knicks are going to pick up a top level PG anyway, whether it's Chris Paul or the very Deron Williams that's being discussed (and for the last couple of years it sounds like Paul is the preferred PG).

So while perhaps Williams > Melo overall, acquiring Melo > acquiring Williams for the Knics right now.
 

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Don't forget, D-will cannot opt out until after a new collective bargaining agreement is reached. And from what I have been hearing, it is not going to be kind to the players. I think D-Will is staying in New Jersey/ Brooklyn and NY knicks are gong to go after either Paul or maybe draft a young PG like the Celtics did with Rondo.
 

CyJack13

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It really depends on your perspective. First, they play two completely different positions (Melo is a SF, Williams is a PG). Second, Melo is the #5 scorer in the league, Williams is the #17 scorer. But to further that, what is the purpose of a PG supposed to be - to lead the team in scoring, or to distribute to the team's leading scorers? Third, yes, Melo is known for not being able to play defense, but D'Antonio doesn't coach defense in the first place - you think that's really a concern with him? Fourth, in a year and a half the Knicks are going to pick up a top level PG anyway, whether it's Chris Paul or the very Deron Williams that's being discussed (and for the last couple of years it sounds like Paul is the preferred PG).

So while perhaps Williams > Melo overall, acquiring Melo > acquiring Williams for the Knics right now.

I think the Knicks would have been much better off if they could have got Williams instead of Carmelo. Williams is a much better fit for that team, they just didn't have the pieces to pull off that deal.
 

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It sounds like Williams was blind-sided by the deal and not happy at all. Better get Jay-Z on a private jet to meet with him. If he doesn't want to sign an extension this was a franchise killing waste of resources. Usually those signals are sent prior to any deals being cut.
 

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At least they didn't give up 4 first round picks and half the team for him like the original trade for Carmelo...
 

Yes13

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Utah has been the cheapest team the last few years. If you're not gonna spend money as an owner than SELL your team.

Jazz did get a decent deal, but they are in rebuild mode. They don't have much on their roster. The Nets, you don't really need a point guard when you don't have a team to put around that guy. I guess some free agents will want to team up with Williams though.
 
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