keep getting fired from there jobs. Really is it not O.K. for grown men and women to have a drink. It started with Larry E, Then the president of Iowa Central, and now Ed Potelak (SP?). Just because you get your picture taken while being drunk does not in my opinion give people cause to fire you from your job. I could follow just about anybody around and eventually take a picture of them in a bad spot. I am just getting sick of this PC crap. Hell Johnny Orr would have been fired 300 times if these rules were around back then.
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It's a culture thing. We're swinging to the more conservative side for what ever reason.
I lived in Germany for a year and much more relaxed attitude there.
I lived in Germany for a year and much more relaxed attitude there.
Um, LE wasn't just drinking. If I remember correctly, he wouldn't travel with the team. Claimed flying scared him or something like that. Not to mention, it was widely known that LE's behavior around Ames was rather embarrassing. LE was not fired because of one picture, he was fired because of a pattern of behavior that was getting worse.
It reflects badly on the institution. Back in Johnny Orr days, people didn't have digital cameras that they could easily load pictures to the internet to be seen by thousands of people.
Whoever these people are, they are public figures representing something larger than themselves. They owe it to that institution to behave in a respectable manner while in the public eye.
And for the record, I didn't agree with the guy up in Fort Dodge (or wherever) that resigned or lost his job for drinking. He was with family and wasn't even doing anything besides drinking. No scandal there.
Whoever these people are, they are public figures representing something larger than themselves. They owe it to that institution to behave in a respectable manner while in the public eye.
And for the record, I didn't agree with the guy up in Fort Dodge (or wherever) that resigned or lost his job for drinking. He was with family and wasn't even doing anything besides drinking. No scandal there.
Agree with you on that one. Also believe he told students at the Mizzu party that our team "sucked".
Acutally your wrong here. Larry E. could have kept on doing what he was doing. The pictures were what brought him down. Slapped his face on ESPN and every other news paper in the country.
Got me. It is BS if you ask me. Grown people having a few too many is harmless itself. If they are good drunks it shouldnt be an issue.
Come on now, you guys aren't going to leave this to drinking being the issue, are you? It has nothing to do with the drinking and everything to do with the behavior. In all of these cases, it was inappropriate sexual behavior. If college kids get caught doing this, whatever, but college kids don't have HIGH profile jobs. It makes a different. I know you guys aren't so naive that you think it is the drinking that gets people fired.
It's an interesting question. On the surface, I would say that if you have a public persona, or are well known to represent a certain company or product, your actions, public and private that become public, represent that company as well. So they have the right to fire you if they wish.
Should they? That might be the better question. The media loves to beat an issue to death until it's so overblown that there is really no choice in the matter. Even if it is overly PC and wrong, you still have to know the rules of the game.
Should they? That might be the better question. The media loves to beat an issue to death until it's so overblown that there is really no choice in the matter. Even if it is overly PC and wrong, you still have to know the rules of the game.
I would say that Ed P was a victim of bad timing. 3-4 years ago U of Iowa would have looked the other way. With all the bad press they've had in the past 2 years they cannot afford to not protect their image. I could care less about a washed up ole Hawkeye but again I think we was a victim of bad timing and having a questionable reputation.
Ever hear of the phrase "drinking responsibly"?
It's one thing for college kids to act this way but not grown men. No one says you can't relax and kick back a few, but when you start groping, slurring, spitting, vomiting, cursing and generally being an arse (even a "happy arse") you deserve what comes to you in most instances.
It's one thing for college kids to act this way but not grown men. No one says you can't relax and kick back a few, but when you start groping, slurring, spitting, vomiting, cursing and generally being an arse (even a "happy arse") you deserve what comes to you in most instances.
Its all about protecting the reputation of the establishment that you represent. These guys(LE, EP) embarrassed the institutions and paid for it. Do you think any of these guys would do what they did sober in the same situation? I doubt it. When you drink you have to be able to fuction in the environment that you are in. Do you get as drunk when you are at your office holiday party as you do when you are with your buddies? If you do you probably have a looser office than most. Different environments demand different behavior. These guys are public figures. They are held to a higher standard. Alchohol altered their judgement and they paid for it. LE owned up to it and did something about it. Now its EP's turn.
There is always more to it then just drinking. For Larry, it was more then one drink that got him fired and with the others it was the fact that they were partying with people that they should be positive influence on.
If someone had gotten a shot of any of those taking a casual drink in there house, I sure they would still have their job.
If someone had gotten a shot of any of those taking a casual drink in there house, I sure they would still have their job.
The President at ICCC was more than just "drinking."
He was pouring vodka into underage girls' mouths, with his son doing the same thing in the background. His son has had an OWI to boot, and is also underage if memory serves me correct.
Don't act like he got the shaft, though. He got one hell of a settlement check.
He was pouring vodka into underage girls' mouths, with his son doing the same thing in the background. His son has had an OWI to boot, and is also underage if memory serves me correct.
Don't act like he got the shaft, though. He got one hell of a settlement check.
I still contend that the venue had something to do with it. If it had been in IC at a bar down the street from his home, no big deal. He was in Tampa on the company dime so he should act like it.
