This. This. This. Keep building toward the future. JB did great as a FR and will get better with more experience.
Who do the Fans want as Starting QB?
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This. This. This. Keep building toward the future. JB did great as a FR and will get better with more experience.
Because, you know, JB performed so well in the bowl game.
I think it might have been a bit unrealistic of us to expect a 19 year-old kid to not be rattled in his first bowl game at Yankee Stadium. However, he did score half our points in less than a quarter, you know...when we were struggling but still competing.
Fully agree.
6-0 with Barnett in. Steele comes in and Rutgers scores 20 unanswered points.
this poll is a lot closer than what i though it would be.
I chose steele. although JB obviously carried the team well at times, my problem with him is i never felt we were a threat to throw the ball deep when he was in the game. he ran the zone much more effectively than jantz, we were a non threat in the passing game (mid to long range). he looked alright against okie st., but lets face it, okie st was NOT a good pass defending team.
they each bring different things to the table. having another year in the system i think will help jantz more than JB. they say the biggest gain comes between year one and year two and this is the second year for jantz. cpr said jantz looked better in bowl game preparation (didn't he?).
all that being said. if i had to lay a dollar on it, i would say jb gets the start.
also, those people saying tech and kansas were better than UNI and UCONN? doubt it. and JB didn't beat okie st. our defense won that game. as charles barkley would say okie st's defense was just "turrable".
I chose steele. although JB obviously carried the team well at times, my problem with him is i never felt we were a threat to throw the ball deep when he was in the game. he ran the zone much more effectively than jantz, we were a non threat in the passing game (mid to long range). he looked alright against okie st., but lets face it, okie st was NOT a good pass defending team.
they each bring different things to the table. having another year in the system i think will help jantz more than JB. they say the biggest gain comes between year one and year two and this is the second year for jantz. cpr said jantz looked better in bowl game preparation (didn't he?).
all that being said. if i had to lay a dollar on it, i would say jb gets the start.
also, those people saying tech and kansas were better than UNI and UCONN? doubt it. and JB didn't beat okie st. our defense won that game. as charles barkley would say okie st's defense was just "turrable".
I'll take KU and Tech over either UCONN or UNI any day. Tech specifically hangs 50+ on either, especially if it is in Lubbock. We are talking about Big XII football players and athletes. C'mon son!
JB had the same number of total yards in 5+ games that SJ did in his 8, about 1700 is that right?
JB had the same number of total yards in 5+ games that SJ did in his 8, about 1700 is that right?
#1 UNI-Iowa-UCONN are probably better defenses combined than Kansas, TT, and OSU.
Kansas ranked DEAD LAST in defense last year. That's right 120 out of 120 on defense. Yet Barnett only led us to 13 points AT HOME against that defense. The same defense that allowed 42 to Northern Illinois, 66 to GT, 45 to TT, 70 to OSU, 59 to Kansas State, 43 to Texas, and 61 to A&M. Hell even McNeese State dropped 24 on them
Texas Tech ranked 114th out of 120 last year in defense. That's not good. We ran all over them that day and TT only scored 7 points.
OSU's defense ranked 107 out of 120 last year. As others have said, we won that game because our defense held the best offense in the country to 17 points in regulation.
UCONN's defense was 51st and Iowa's was 60th.
#2 How do you know JB had a better shuttle time and 40 time? Coaches and players have generally stated that Jantz is faster and quicker. Plus his ability to run away from defenses when healthy showed he had a gear that Barnett perhaps didn't.
#3 Because Rhoads says it after every practice. He states that Jantz has better zip on the ball and has the ability to make more plays but he's not always consistent like Barnett. I think that is why most feel he has a higher ceiling.
I'm not sure if Jantz or Barnett will be the guy but people who think it's obviously Barnett watched a different season than I did last year and a different year than the coaches.
Not true. It was 10-6 Rutgers leading when Steele came in.
Barnett had just turned the ball over on a fumble which Rutgers recovered inside our 5 yard line and our defense did a great job of holding them to a FG.
1st series of the game we have 3 straight rushes for big gains. Than Barnett throws 3 straight incompletions (some really off throws) and Guyer kicks a 40 yard FG.
2nd series we stall out again and Guyer kicks a 45 yard FG.
Jantz 1st series he had 2 runs which equaled 40 yards to start but than got sacked, threw an incompletion, and than a short completed pass to Reynolds. Guyer MISSES FG
Jantz 2nd series. He completes 3 straight passes, than we stall out and Guyer has 44 yard kick blocked.
How did Barnett show anymore than Jantz to get us those 6 points? Only difference was that the kickers missed for Jantz and made for Barnett. Neither were impressive AT ALL.
It's apparent that CPR likes flash over efficiency. What other reason would keep him from putting JB back into the bowl game and allowing this stupid QB competition to go on through spring to fall camp. CPR was really hoping that SJ could bring back the magic and win that bowl game so he could say our QB is now healthy and has shown us that he is back, now we can move JB back to #2. But he couldn't. Read between the lines. CPR said, "the reason I made the switch, it wouldn't have been right to switch them back". Did anyone ever hear his reason? No, because he didn't give one. Not that he had to but it would have been nice for the fan base and all of the "stunned and surprised" media across the country to know what it was. Now, here we are...QB competition and we can't name a starter even though one of them has clearly out-performed the other one throughout spring drills and 12 practices. He didn't have a problem lifting up Steele in those few bowl practices. Why....IMO, he is waiting on the day when he can get in front of the mic in a press conference and say "Steele that has out-performed JB today" and now, I can name the starter. See, it would be outrageous to name a guy the starter when he isn't yet out-performing the "lesser" competition. That would look stupid to our loyal Cyclone fan base. Don't you think?
I don't know what direction CPR will go...Efficiency or Flash. Here's the one thing I do know. JB is not going to go without a fight. His heart is too big. His love for the game is too big. His desire for success for his teammates to too big. His love for CycloneNation is too big.
I don't know what direction CPR will go...Efficiency or Flash. Here's the one thing I do know. JB is not going to go without a fight. His heart is too big. His love for the game is too big. His desire for success for his teammates to too big. His love for CycloneNation is too big.
I want who is best for the team, BUT...
I find it hard not to root for Jantz. His story is just so compelling. Being homeless, living out of a car, making his way to ISU for the starting job and getting those first three wins. And his name. You WANT to cheer for Steel Jantz. It feels like a super hero is on your side.
I find it hard not to root for Jantz. His story is just so compelling. Being homeless, living out of a car, making his way to ISU for the starting job and getting those first three wins. And his name. You WANT to cheer for Steel Jantz. It feels like a super hero is on your side.
this thread is stupid. It's obvious We have big JB fans and big SJ fans. know why there's not a big slant towards either one?? Because both of them played below average last year. Also they both only had 1 game that could be considered good. SJ vs Iowa and JB vs okie lite. It won't matter who wins the job if they play like they did last year.
personally I'm rooting for SJ but if JB wins I'm not gonna be heartbroken like some of you. If SJ wins... idk what footballintexas is gonna do with himself.
personally I'm rooting for SJ but if JB wins I'm not gonna be heartbroken like some of you. If SJ wins... idk what footballintexas is gonna do with himself.
Cymaniac, if SJ wins, I'm gonna do what I did last year....root for Cyclone victories! I don't wish failure for SJ so JB can play. SJ is a good kid. I'm just a JB supporter.
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Woah woah woah! Wait a minute there bucko. I think you may be jumping th gun a bit. CPR put SJ in the bowl game because JB was playing really poorly. He wasn't showing the same efficiency he had earlier in the season and he was not handling the blitz well. At that point I am thinking the CPR thought the best chance to win would be to put the gunslinger in. It alsmost worked too, until Money dropped a TD pass late and the D gave up one last big pass.
CPR is always stating that he wants accuracy and consistency. Yes I am sure he wants some big plays too, but not if they are always offset by terrible plays.
Idealy, I'm guessing the staff would love it if Jantz could become much more consistent and efficient while maintaining his big play ability. However they have to give him the chance to do so. If they name JB the starter now it makes it more difficult for Jantz to do the things he needs to to improve. JB also needs improvement and a QB competition should be something to push him to be his best. They said last fall that JB was always really accurate in practice, however that execution was inconsistent in games and he ended up with a worse completion percentage than our gunslinger. If JB continues to get pushed to improve and his accuracy in practice carries over into the game, he could run away with the competition.
The staff has seen the good and bad of both players with the bullets flying. Now they have to push them to improve and see if their improvements translate into produciton on the field.
Personally, I am scared that Jantz will show enough this fall to be named the starter and then get frustrated and frantic again at gametime leading to inconsistency.
I voted for Jantz, because the best case scenario is that he masters what he can of the playbook and comes out confident and consistent. Then he can harness the big play ability and couple it with efficient execution of the offense.
I have a feeling we will see Barnett out there because the staff doesn't think they can trust Jantz to make the easy plays along with the spectacular. However, we will always have a backup ready who we know can lead a 4th quarter comeback.
Go back and re-read my post. No one has ever questioned CPR pulling. We questioned CPR not re-inserting him.
Rhoads doesn't use coach-speak. When he says that he hasn't decided, he also gives straight information about where each guy is at.
...due to percieved efficiency compared to Jantz. I like JB and think he'll likely be our QB this year, but he struggled with accuracy at times last season, and the bowl game was one of his worst showings.
Start out with a rotation of Barnett on 1st and 2nd downs with Steele coming in during some 3rd and 4th down sets.
Richardson should get some time though.
Richardson should get some time though.
