Stubbornness towards EVs and stubborness towards Chinese vehicles. I'd buy a BYD tomorrow if it was an option. The Han is essentially a better Model 3 for 15% less (depending on tariffs of course)
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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Stubbornness towards EVs and stubborness towards Chinese vehicles. I'd buy a BYD tomorrow if it was an option. The Han is essentially a better Model 3 for 15% less (depending on tariffs of course)
I just drove a Chinese car for 10 days in Costa Rica. A Geely Starray. I just looked and it’s about $20k starting. A car of that level seems like it would be 2x the cost here. It had its quirks but for that price and that nice I’d get one tomorrow if I could.
Sounds like Ford E Mustangs have a problem, you need to find out about this. The article takes about low battery locking things up so it is hard to get out of the back seat? They even included phone numbers to call. Call your dealer.
Not sure where to put this so I am posting here. My lease is ending on my 2023 Subaru. Thinking of turning it in and getting a Ford Maverick hybrid. My wife wants me to get AWD, but I am having doubts that it is really necessary here in Ankeny. Yeah, I can see some days it would be welcomed, but for the majority of the year probably not. The salesperson said that today's front wheel drive vehicles with all their tech is so good that many times if not off roading or towing, which I won't be, it really isn't necessary. I was wondering if any had opinions to share.
Right now, hybrids are the way to go, you get the both worlds, extended mileage and its based on a hybrids have been around for years, and have the kinks worked out of them. We purchased our first hybrid a couple of years ago. Toyota Grand Highlander, Hybrid Max Platinum version, we paid more for the hybrid system, but Toyota has been making hybrids for a decade or more, and the warranty is for 20 years on the battery. Love the vehicle and have had no problems with 30,000 miles on it.
The hybrid system will make up for what you lose in gas mileage because it's AWD.
The hybrid system will make up for what you lose in gas mileage because it's AWD.
For you and many others, that may be the case. For me, they are not. Just another layer of complexity that's not needed.
No doubt that Toyota is the best when it comes to hybrids.
I get the complexity layer but I think we are still a ways out before the infrastructure is where it needs to be. I think thats the hang up for most buyers. It certainly plays for me. Definitely see a lot more electrics on the road in town here now. Its building momentum.
If you can charge one EV at home and use other cars for road trips, having one EV for most of the daily driving is certainly more convenient than a gas car.
If you only have EVs and road trip a lot it depends where you live but it can be an adventure. I’m learning to avoid certain areas that tend to have lines for charging and getting a better idea of where there won’t be a line. It’s a lot more tricky without Tesla network access, with that access think most of the country is fine (and was improving but in doubt now per cave reasons). Of course you need to adjust to idea of 15-35 minute fueling on a road trip vs 5 at the pump, but I expect that to keep trending down too. Really most people probably take more like 10-15 minutes at the gas station I’d guess.
Last year, my wife charged at home 359/365 days. Only 6 days did we go on trips longer than 300 miles in a day. I wish people would keep of track of how often they drive more than 250 miles in one day. Those 6 days were not a problem charging at Tesla chargers, just pointing out how rare it is for most people to charge outside of their house.
I would think that EV's would make great drive to work cars, my last teaching job before I retired I was driving right around 84 miles a day, back and forth. I think they would be great for that application. Then have a hybrid or regular gas vehicle for trips and vacations.
I spent more time fueling my ICE SUV (5 minutes/week) in 2024, than charging my wife's tesla.
Before we bought the Tesla, I had so many dumb things in my mind. "When we drive down to KC, we'll just watch Netflix while it's charging". The reality is that we stop in Bethany Missouri, go to the bathroom, grab a pop, read emails for 5 minutes, and we're back on the road. The only time we've watched Netlifx was when we were waiting for someone.
Before we bought the Tesla, I had so many dumb things in my mind. "When we drive down to KC, we'll just watch Netflix while it's charging". The reality is that we stop in Bethany Missouri, go to the bathroom, grab a pop, read emails for 5 minutes, and we're back on the road. The only time we've watched Netlifx was when we were waiting for someone.
It’s funny that rural/suburban people feel more apprehensive but the only people for whom EVs are a legit hassle are street parking only who tend to be urban (not always).
I did run into a guy here in LA who was talked into a Mach E and had nowhere to charge at his street parking only apartment or near his workplace and struggled to get out of the lease. That’s the specific person for whom charging is a net inconvenience.
One of my neighbors charges only at work even though he has a garage with an outlet he parks in at home…he’s financially well off but a penny pincher.
That’s kind of the distance limit where you wouldn’t automatically need to install a level 2. Just regular outlet could get you 55-80 miles a day charging 7pm-7am, then get up to 100% on weekend. The “I drive 200 miles every single day of my life” guy would still be fine or even save time skipping gas stations but needs the level 2 at home.
I am due for a replacement here in the next couple of years. One is def on my list but I have the big car at the moment which we use for our long trips. If I had to replace today it would probably be a hybrid, but maybe in a couple of years, Ill be ready for all electric. My wifes car would have been a great spot to make it happen now, but it didnt work out that way. Her dad was selling his RAV for cheap and we couldnt pass it up.
I’m an EV nut admittedly but for a 2 car home one hybrid and one EV is probably maxing out convenience/fuel cost. Gas stations are definitely not a convenience, people just don’t know it yet.
Its use case dependent, but there are definitely a lot of people who don't realize that their use case for at least one of their vehicles works very well for an EV. Use cases that don't work particularly well for an EV currently:
-Don't have the ability to charge at home (or at work reliably/economically)
-Drive greater than 200 miles per day frequently (I'd say 10 to 15 times per year)
-Tow with the vehicle for an extended distance
-Only buy new vehicles and keep them for less than 4 years
All of the above situations you can work around and I know people that do from EV specific online forums, but the average person would likely find an EV to be inconvenient or a problem if any of the above were true for their vehicle use.
-Don't have the ability to charge at home (or at work reliably/economically)
-Drive greater than 200 miles per day frequently (I'd say 10 to 15 times per year)
-Tow with the vehicle for an extended distance
-Only buy new vehicles and keep them for less than 4 years
All of the above situations you can work around and I know people that do from EV specific online forums, but the average person would likely find an EV to be inconvenient or a problem if any of the above were true for their vehicle use.
True but if you are going the EV route, why not just go ahead and get the quicker level 2 system and have the power line ran for it?
