What will Tebow haters say if.....

[Hawkeye11en1]

Oh, so, this Denver defense is stellar? Then you have done the same for me.

Denver's defense is 24th in the NFL in yards allowed per game (366.4), 24th in points (24.3), 23rd in passing yards (245.2) and 20th in rushing yards (121.3).

Explain to me, outside of the intangibles of leadership, how they are above average. Furthermore, explain to me how they are, in any way comparable to the 2006 Chicago Bears.

Not saying they are as good as that Bears D, but they play the same style of keeping it close so that the offense can have a chance at the end. The defense also has some spiked numbers because of a few blowout losses in which they gave up 49 and 45 points, to two really good offenses. And they have had the luxury of playing really bad offenses for a while now. Last 5 games given up: 10, 13, 13, 32, 10.

That isn't good? That's far from mediocre. They forced 7 straight punts from the Bears yesterday and Tebow did nothing with it. They are playing pretty darn well other than the Minny game, and they gave the offense 7 points plus a pick to win the game at the end. Oh, and they got a TO in the OT game against Miami and then Tebow moved the team like 3 yards and Prater made a 50+ yarder.

Tebow does certain things well. His team now leads the league in rushing. They are also near the back in passing yards. His defense is holding them in games and giving him a chance. And in some instances, are even winning the game for the Broncos.

 

[cyclonez7]

We live in a world where the quarterback either receives a ton of credit or a ton of blame. So like it or not, if the Broncos do well, Tebow gets a ton of credit.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

I love how everyone says the wins have nothing to do with Tebow. It's the defense or it's the kicker. Pretty sure it was the same defense playing before Tebow started. Using common sense is very easy, it's the admitting that you're wrong that's the hard part.

Who is saying it has NOTHING to do with Tebow. It does. But it's you people who sit here and don't give any credit to anyone else! That's what is so amazing about you people that love Tebow so much.

 

[BigBake]

Are you honestly comparing that Bears defense to this year's very mediocre Denver defense?

Interesting.

No.

The Bears had a stellar D and a very average to below average O during the Orton/Grossman regime. The lack of offensive firepower or a good quarterback is why they were unable to get a Super Bowl victory.

Tebow only being an average QB will catch up with teh Broncos sooner than later.

 

[isuchicago]

I love how everyone says the wins have nothing to do with Tebow. It's the defense or it's the kicker. Pretty sure it was the same defense playing before Tebow started. Using common sense is very easy, it's the admitting that you're wrong that's the hard part.

We're not saying he isn't a good leader. Just not a good quarterback. I don't see how that is such a controversial observation. If you don't agree, fine..but people are way too crazy about this guy. He scored what should have been the only broncos score of the game against a prevent defense and doesn't get another chance without much help from barber. He had plenty of opportunities too. The bears offense wasn't exactly putting together a lot of first downs. The broncos found a way to win, which is impressive.. Tebow's performance in the game however, was pretty shaky..I don't see how that is a big statement.

 

[BigBake]

I love how everyone says the wins have nothing to do with Tebow. It's the defense or it's the kicker. Pretty sure it was the same defense playing before Tebow started. Using common sense is very easy, it's the admitting that you're wrong that's the hard part.

The kicker won that game with two stellar long range kicks plain and simple.

If Tebow was as good as the lovers want him to be those kicks were either not needed because they got a TD or were chip shots from short range.

 

[tman24]

I'm not saying he should be benched. Just that tebow-lovers and the media need to take a reality check. The kicker won that game yesterday with two booming kicks.

Also took the whole team to get into position for those kicks. The whole team is playing good. Only thing I can't stand is fox is blaming the opposing defense for the slow starts. I wish they would just try to impose their will against teams.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Not saying they are as good as that Bears D, but they play the same style of keeping it close so that the offense can have a chance at the end. The defense also has some spiked numbers because of a few blowout losses in which they gave up 49 and 45 points, to two really good offenses. And they have had the luxury of playing really bad offenses for a while now. Last 5 games given up: 10, 13, 13, 32, 10.

That isn't good? That's far from mediocre. They forced 7 straight punts from the Bears yesterday and Tebow did nothing with it. They are playing pretty darn well other than the Minny game, and they gave the offense 7 points plus a pick to win the game at the end. Oh, and they got a TO in the OT game against Miami and then Tebow moved the team like 3 yards and Prater made a 50+ yarder.

Tebow does certain things well. His team now leads the league in rushing. They are also near the back in passing yards. His defense is holding them in games and giving him a chance. And in some instances, are even winning the game for the Broncos.

No. That is actually exactly what you would expect from an average defense against really bad offenses. A good defense wouldn't allow bad offenses to hit their average point total, which is exactly what the Denver defense has allowed.

Now, I can understand someone who's endured this years Hawkeye games to have a skewed perspective on what a good defense actually looks like, but take it from someone whose watched a decent one all season long from the confines of Jack Trice: the Broncos don't have one.

Mediocre means average. The Broncos defense is average. But they are playing for their leader: they all have said as much and guess what? Their leader isn't on defense this year. Just ask them.

Give the Broncos a quarterback who racks up a few more yards but also throws an average of one more pick per game, putting this "good" defense into the sort of holes that the '06 Bears offense did, and you have a team that looks a heck of a lot like the Chargers. The occasional thing of beauty mixed in with a ton of rip-your-heart-out losses.

Everyone is pointing to the Patriot game as the one that will expose Tebow. It won't. It will expose the Denver defense again. Pats strength is on offense, not defense. They had trouble containing Rex Grossman. You think they aren't sweating Tebow?

 

[mcblogerson]

I don't know how anyone could hate Tebow. I also don't know how anyone could watch him throw a pass and think he's good. He might develope into a better passer, but he is currently very inaccurate. If he was the starting QB for the bears, I would hate him about as much as Cade Mcnown.

 

[isuchicago]

Also took the whole team to get into position for those kicks. The whole team is playing good. Only thing I can't stand is fox is blaming the opposing defense for the slow starts. I wish they would just try to impose their will against teams.

Exactly..they helped prevent Tebow from being more of a liability yesterday. On both of his turnovers, the defense stepped up and got a quick stop..not allowing the bears to get any points off the turnovers..that was huge. And if a guy can kick a field goal from the 49 yard line, well thats just too damn good. My hat goes off to him..that was crazy.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

No. That is actually exactly what you would expect from an average defense against really bad offenses. A good defense wouldn't allow bad offenses to hit their average point total, which is exactly what the Denver defense has allowed.

Chiefs average 13.3 = scored 10
Jets average 25.2 = scored 13
SD averages 24.9 = scored 13
Minny averages 21.1 = scored 32
Bears average 23.2 = scored 10


1 out of 5 games. That's it. What the **** are you talking about?

 

[3TrueFans]

The kicker won that game with two stellar long range kicks plain and simple.

If Tebow was as good as the lovers want him to be those kicks were either not needed because they got a TD or were chip shots from short range.

So he moved them twice into position to be within range of their kicker? I'm not seeing the problem here.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

So he moved them twice into position to be within range of their kicker? I'm not seeing the problem here.

Look I get your point and I would not tend to make that argument, but it was a 59 yard FG for ****s sake. They don't happen too often.

 

[tman24]

So he moved them twice into position to be within range of their kicker? I'm not seeing the problem here.

Look I get your point and I would not tend to make that argument, but it was a 59 yard FG for ****s sake. They don't happen too often.

Actually prater makes a ton of 50 - 60 yard kicks. On my phone so I can't look this season up.

 

[isuchicago]

Actually prater makes a ton of 50 - 60 yard kicks. On my phone so I can't look this season up.

I thought 59 was his career long??

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

Actually prater makes a ton of 50 - 60 yard kicks. On my phone so I can't look this season up.

What is it, 4 yards off the NFL record? Saying that's just an every-day occurance? 50-54 yarders happen quite a bit, but not much more. That extra 6-7 yards isn't easy. Prater has a very strong leg, though. And Mile High helps.

EDIT: just looked, 59 is his career long. 12 kicks in the 50s in his career. About 3 a year.

 

[3TrueFans]

Look I get your point and I would not tend to make that argument, but it was a 59 yard FG for ****s sake. They don't happen too often.

I'd argue that a 59 yard field goal in Denver is different than a 59 yard field goal elsewhere, but yes it was a long field goal.The fact remains the same though, he moved them into a position that was in his kicker's range. I suppose if his kicker would have made it from 64 yards out Tebow would have sucked even more, and yet still won the game.

 

[rholtgraves]

I'd argue that a 59 yard field goal in Denver is different than a 59 yard field goal elsewhere, but yes it was a long field goal.The fact remains the same though, he moved them into a position that was in his kicker's range.

So did Caleb Hanie until Barber fumbled it.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

I'd argue that a 59 yard field goal in Denver is different than a 59 yard field goal elsewhere, but yes it was a long field goal.The fact remains the same though, he moved them into a position that was in his kicker's range. I suppose if his kicker would have made it from 64 yards out Tebow would have sucked even more, and yet still won the game.

I hope you are sort of arguing to the general crowd, because I have never not given Tebow credit for getting them into that range. But does Romo get credit for getting his kicker into range and missing that one 2 weeks in a row? I'm just saying if he misses some of these kicks it's all a moot point and we aren't discussing anything.

 

[3TrueFans]

But does Romo get credit for getting his kicker into range and missing that one 2 weeks in a row?

He should, the guy made the kick in both circumstances before timeouts, obviously it was a kick he could/should make. But that's the nature of sports, you're a hero if you win, do the exact same thing and lose and you're the goat. If Tebow drives them to a 59-yard field goal and miss the lead on every sports show is how Tebow came up short in the end, that's just the way it works.