What was the beginning of the end?

nickcyv

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Apr 29, 2009
1,484
404
83
Wasting that Knott and Klein defense with losses to tech and the purple Kansas at home then no showing the liberty bowl. It was over after that albeit a slow painful death.
 

cycophagus

Well-Known Member
Aug 16, 2012
5,871
4,564
113
MN
I think there are a lot of things. But the thing I always think about is the damage the realignment drama made for two seasons and recruiting classes right when he had the program rolling. That rolled on top of the Mess mess. And this year I would say the first sign was the second half of the Iowa game. It was recoverable, but it was a sign of bad things that have come since then.
How quickly we can forget what was the elephant in the room. I figure this may explain in part why CPR got a year 7.
 

Bader

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Jul 25, 2007
7,570
4,660
113
Ankeny
Wasting that Knott and Klein defense with losses to tech and the purple Kansas at home then no showing the liberty bowl. It was over after that albeit a slow painful death.

Yup the best defense since '05 wasted on Messingham and Klenakis' offense. Paul had no idea what he wanted the offense to look like and it cost him repeatedly. When he got here he preached about the value of a running quarterback and strong running game to control the clock. He had it in '09 with Arnaud and Robinson and made no attempt to repeat that strategy until the second half of the Baylor game this year.
 

clonedude

Well-Known Member
Apr 16, 2006
33,021
29,251
113
The inability for QB's to get better. Nearly every single one regressed under Rhoads' leadership. QB is the most important position in football.

I would go along with this.

Without a really good QB, you're toast, and Rhoads could never either recruit a great one to come here or develop any of the ones he had.

Look at Iowa this year. Overall, this year's Iowa team has less talent on it than last year's Iowa team. Worse on the OL, worse on the DL, worse at LB, etc. However, they are a lot better at QB. They found a gamer and a winner at QB in Beathard and it has made all the difference. If he were to go down, Iowa would be a .500 team at best and be struggling just to make a bowl like last year.
 

NorthCyd

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 22, 2011
21,104
35,586
113
Explain to those that didn't make the trip.

I went to Rendezvous and got some ribs and wasn't all that impressed. Saw Wally while I was in there. Maybe that's it.
 

CyCloned

Well-Known Member
Oct 18, 2006
13,602
6,968
113
Robins, Iowa
The real beginning of the end was when the Big 12 started to fall apart. Harder schedule, talk about ISU having to move to the MAC when the Big 12 fell apart. there were a couple really bad recruiting classes and several good coaches bailed out.
 

tsirnickesqcy

Active Member
Oct 13, 2013
180
74
28
Des Moines, IA
The bowl game loss to Tulsa.

I know people don't like to hear it but it was around this ^ time. I would argue it was even a few games before that. I'm going off memory so don't kill me but I think we had games as a ranked team vs Kansas State (loudest game I have ever in my life heard, ears were literally ringing every time ksu had a 3rd down, and WV after that who was ranked but beatable. Both **** d down our leg, deflating any hope we had for turning the corner that year.
 

tsirnickesqcy

Active Member
Oct 13, 2013
180
74
28
Des Moines, IA
The real beginning of the end was when the Big 12 started to fall apart. Harder schedule, talk about ISU having to move to the MAC when the Big 12 fell apart. there were a couple really bad recruiting classes and several good coaches bailed out.

Not true. We had plenty of chances to win games then.
 

jsb

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Mar 7, 2008
33,307
39,311
113
I know people don't like to hear it but it was around this ^ time. I would argue it was even a few games before that. I'm going off memory so don't kill me but I think we had games as a ranked team vs Kansas State (loudest game I have ever in my life heard, ears were literally ringing every time ksu had a 3rd down, and WV after that who was ranked but beatable. Both **** d down our leg, deflating any hope we had for turning the corner that year.

I think that was after Jake Knott got hurt.
 

BCClone

Well Seen Member.
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Sep 4, 2011
67,607
63,670
113
Not exactly sure.
The year after Herman left. Had a former player that didn't play much but was around cpr a lot that said he micromanaged nonstop. Actually didn't care for him that much, and it wasn't due to play time because he didn't expect much.
Klenakis came in and we tried to change lineman, dline man, what have you. We tried to run a system that we wanted instead of who are the best players we can get and how do we win games with that talent.

This is year we made the adjustments, especially after MM left, and basically did this.

In hindsight, CPR would have helped himself the most to have hired a guy out of his own pocket to deal with the normal play flow and situations and just been the rah rah PUb relations guy.
 

Clark

Well-Known Member
Jun 24, 2009
18,417
4,684
113
Altoona
not having an 8 win season in 2012 was the beginning of the end. That was by far his best team and he just couldn't get them over the hump. It just steadily got worse from there.
 

madguy30

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Nov 15, 2011
57,243
55,138
113
The 2013 season when it was clear how much of a gap in talent there was, and how the team got rung up by UNI.

Not sure why the Liberty Bowl still has so much clout; I can't think of too many bowls from the previous season that really impacted a program in the long run, or even the next season. A basic coaching/team sport principle is the idea to turn the page every week, so I'm not sure how a bowl appearance impacts a program for 3 years. If anything, it should have been a lesson on stronger fundamentals/preparation.
 

tsirnickesqcy

Active Member
Oct 13, 2013
180
74
28
Des Moines, IA
The 2013 season when it was clear how much of a gap in talent there was, and how the team got rung up by UNI.

Not sure why the Liberty Bowl still has so much clout; I can't think of too many bowls from the previous season that really impacted a program in the long run, or even the next season. A basic coaching/team sport principle is the idea to turn the page every week, so I'm not sure how a bowl appearance impacts a program for 3 years. If anything, it should have been a lesson on stronger fundamentals/preparation.

it was a microcosm of all that was wrong with the program.
 

Wally86

Well-Known Member
Oct 23, 2008
1,242
541
113
Central Iowa
I think there are a lot of things. But the thing I always think about is the damage the realignment drama made for two seasons and recruiting classes right when he had the program rolling. That rolled on top of the Mess mess. And this year I would say the first sign was the second half of the Iowa game. It was recoverable, but it was a sign of bad things that have come since then.
Gotta say that was bad but barely putting up 300 yards on UNI was my cue. Quarterback change should have happened halftime of that game.
 

Tazzels

Member
Aug 22, 2006
326
29
18
53
'72 Winnebago
Needed better players. 4-6 Jucos every year with 3-4 being significant contribution. A couple of **** and 4-5 more *** every year.

Needed better assistant coaches.

Needed an easier schedule (SOS #40-60 not 5-20)

We were trying to invent the wheel not reinvent it because basically it had not been done before.