What is with the Refs?

IASTATE07

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Lots of apologists in this thread for professionals doing their job poorly. If I'm constantly making mistakes at my job because "well it's difficult" I still get disciplined/fired. Folks should watch more NBA to get a frame of reference. The refs there aren't perfect either but the quality and consistency is leaps and bounds better than NCAA.

I think most people understand having full time officials in the NBA will be better than paid contractors in college basketball.
 

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It appears a lot of you could not play for TJ.
 

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I think football refs are bad. Basketball refs are even worse. However basketball refs have to not call certain things or the game would be really bad. I just question some of the things they decide to call. The last few years when playing Kansas it was almost impossible to guard them in the post without the refs blowing the whistle

I always say this, basketball is the extremely difficult to officiate. I tried it and I sucked. I’m a soccer ref now and it’s way easier.
 

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So you're just being pedantic, got it. Another one for the Ignore list.
It's a 3 foot wide space - he can move as much as he wants as long as one of his two feet stays within that 3 foot space. That doesn't mean he can't pick up and put down both feet repeatedly. It clearly looks like he totally left the 3 foot wide space, but picking up his feet (traveling) is not the violation - leaving the throw in area is.

You have to expect that someone is going to point out you are wrong when you call it traveling and say he can't pick up his feet when the rule - which was posted for your information - clearly states otherwise.
 
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Great then the second of my two options listed is correct. He fouled the guy when the guy tripped over him.

It seems some have a hard time separating feelings from the rulebook. Obviously things are missed, but this wasn’t one of them.
 

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The things I've noticed this year that aren't getting called much (on anyone, not just on ISU's opponents) are:

* Moving screens
* Traveling (I know this hasn't been called by the book for decades, I'm referring to really obvious/blatant cases, e.g. check out the inbounds play near the end of UNC vs. NC State yesterday)
* Displacement on offensive rebounds ("over-the-back" as we like to call it although that's not the rule, strictly speaking)
* Ball-handler displacing the defender with their off-hand
* Edit to add: lane violations
100% agree on the screens. They actually called a couple on tech but could've called more and feel like I've seen a lot of screens that should be fouls
 
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It's a 3 foot wide space - he can move as much as he wants as long as one of his two feet stays within that 3 foot space. That doesn't mean he can't pick up and put down both feet repeatedly. It clearly looks like he totally left the 3 foot wide space, but picking up his feet (traveling) is not the violation - leaving the throw in area is.

You have to expect that someone is going to point out you are wrong when you call it traveling and say he can't pick up his feet when the rule - which was posted for your information - clearly states otherwise.

I have heard of travelling on out-of-bounds plays, but never heard of freedom to move in a three foot area, other than the three foot deep area that is supposed to be on the sidelines of all courts (for which Kansas somehow gets a waiver as theirs is only 27 inches).
 
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As others have said…. Inconsistent on each team and more noticeably each half. Those I notice.

If the TT fans think they got the short straw… lol sure.
 

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I have heard of travelling on out-of-bounds plays, but never heard of freedom to move in a three foot area, other than the three foot deep area that is supposed to be on the sidelines of all courts (for which Kansas somehow gets a waiver as theirs is only 27 inches).
You have a 36 inch box during the throw in. You can jump up and down, run in place or side to side as long as you remain in the 36 inch box (and within 5 seconds).
 
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I always say this, basketball is the extremely difficult to officiate. I tried it and I sucked. I’m a soccer ref now and it’s way easier.

I did some adult bball league games and it was eye opening just how difficult it is. Can’t imagine how much harder it is to do major college bball.

My general opinion now is the less fouls that get called the better for a TJ team. That’s why I don’t get too worked up over missed calls.
 
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Lipsey slipped and took out the TT guy. Intent doesn’t matter, he took the guy out of the play and something like that should be a foul every time.
Okay.. but in the overtime at the Iowa State end a guy comes down in Lipsey on an offensive rebound attempt. Kinda has him in a headlock crashing Lispsey to the floor with the Tech guy in top of him. That's a no call that ends in a jump ball and Tech possession. Consisyancy....
 

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Okay.. but in the overtime at the Iowa State end a guy comes down in Lipsey on an offensive rebound attempt. Kinda has him in a headlock crashing Lispsey to the floor with the Tech guy in top of him. That's a no call that ends in a jump ball and Tech possession. Consisyancy....

I’m not saying the refs are perfect, but I’d watch that again. After taking a look at it (a rebound off a Curt drive with 2:05 left on OT is the play I assume you are referring to, if not please let me know) it probably should have been a fouls on Heise if they had called a foul.

Williams from Tech went straight up and the only reason he went into Lipsey was because Heise flew into his back which created the contact between Williams and Tamin. Iowa State benefited from a no call there.
 

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I think it's best if you just realize basketball is an impossible game to officiate. You could probably call multiple fouls every possession, but no one wants that. So sometimes they pick and choose their spots. It's impossible to not have some level of inconsistency, and sometimes they'll just miss calls. But I thought by and large Saturday was really well officiated.
 

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I have heard of travelling on out-of-bounds plays, but never heard of freedom to move in a three foot area, other than the three foot deep area that is supposed to be on the sidelines of all courts (for which Kansas somehow gets a waiver as theirs is only 27 inches).
I'm pretty sure someone else posted the actual NCAA rule but here it is again. Note that it includes the 3 ft wide area, ability to move the feet and traveling not applying. Emphasis is mine.

NCAA MBB Rules '24-25
Rule 7, Art. 17, Sec. 6
Art. 8. The following pertain to a designated spot:
a. The designated spot is the location at which a thrower-in is presented disposal of the ball out of bounds as in Rules 4-11.1.a through .c.
b. The designated spot shall be 3 feet wide with no depth limitation.
c. The thrower-in must keep one foot on or over the designated spot until the ball is released. Pivot foot restrictions and the traveling rule are not in effect for a throw-in.
d. The thrower-in shall not leave the designated spot until he has released the ball and the thrown-in ball has crossed the plane of the sideline or end line.