What does ISU do with LJ?

What should LJ's punishment be?

  • Out against KU - He was just being aggressive

    Votes: 112 39.0%
  • Out against KU plus unspecified team sanctions (ala Bass)

    Votes: 104 36.2%
  • Suspended for 1 game after KU

    Votes: 38 13.2%
  • Suspended for 2 or more games after KU

    Votes: 16 5.6%
  • Don't let the door hit ya in the rear

    Votes: 17 5.9%

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isuno1fan

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The get rid of him crew are out of their mind.

He deserves to have some thinking time and then encouragement from the coaching staff. LJ is a good kid, but he needs to control his aggression on the field.

We will need LJ over the next 4 years. Let's hope he grows from it all and comes back even better.
 

ISUFan22

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I think some people want to blame a loss on one player. They look for excuses and he's an obvious one. If we won the game, would there even be this long of a discussion about this?

Yeah...that's exactly what I've been saying - it's all his fault! :biglaugh:

I'd be just as upset if we won or lost - this crap has to stop. Not next season...not in a week or two...but now.

And your "perspective of the hit" talk is crap. What other perspective is there when a guy gets ejected? The refs certainly were not out to get him...
 

ISU4ME

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You don't kick the kid off the team for making a stupid mistake. I trust Coach Chizik will handle it the proper way. If he does something like this again (malicious/unnecessary hit), then you can consider suspending him for the rest of the season.

Kicking him off the team, does not further his development as a human being and a member of society in anyway. The punishment should fit the crime.
 

isuno1fan

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As long as he keeps his nose clean off the field and in the classroom (which by all accounts he is a very good student), then the on the field stuff can be taken as a learning/growing experience at this point.

If he is doing this still next year on a regular basis and he is a screwball off the field then perhaps you move on.

LJ has too much talent to abandon ship at this point...especially because he is a good representative of ISU off the field by all reports.

He needs coaching and encouragement at this point. A stern warning yet still a positive message from the coaching staff.

Perhaps the fickle fans want to turn him into the next Jason Harris. Kid with tons of talent that makes a few mistakes and gets buried in the depth chart for his entire career at ISU.

LJ has endless potential once we are able to harness his aggression on the field in a safe and legal way.
 

BryceC

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Anybody who wants to kick him off the team is on crack. And Meth.
 
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cyclonekj

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I find it curious that some feel the NCAA is being too lenient with an ISU player. That's a new one.

The ejection and one game suspension are warranted, but this isn't intramurals. Have some faith in Coach Chizik and his staff.
 

Aclone

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Anybody who wants to kick him off the team is on crack. And Meth.

So, there are fourteen confirmed crackheads around here? Or just fourteen Hawkeye fans that don't want to face him the next three years?

Personally, I was going to say I'm a "moron", but it all works out the same.:wink:
 
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jumbopackage

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For the camp that says "this kind of play is what we need to win", I don't want to win if we have to play like this to do it.

Dot. Period. End of sentence.

I'd rather go 0fer than win with guys playing like LJ has been playing.
 

Bobber

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For the camp that says "this kind of play is what we need to win", I don't want to win if we have to play like this to do it.

Dot. Period. End of sentence.

I'd rather go 0fer than win with guys playing like LJ has been playing.

Has anyone said that? They're a fool if they did.
 

Tornado man

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LJ hasn't learned how to play hard and aggressive - WITH CLASS. Would we have made our second half comeback with him still in the game?
 

D UP Clones

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Anybody suggesting that Chizik should

consider kicking a kid off the team for personal fouls flat out has no clue about collegiate sports or sports in general.

My goodness, you do realize that many of these players are not great people off the field. Some of them are bullies, drunks, etc. and do not give you their all in practice every day. Many of these players never even come close to being kicked off a team.

That determines whether a kid is removed from a team. The coaches at quality programs would laugh you out of the room for suggesting that you should kick off a player for personal fouls alone.

Incredibly stupid suggestion demonstrating a lack of knowledge about sports and people in general.
 
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Aclone

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You guys want punishment? How about being booted out of the game from the first game he started in his career--in the first quarter? How about standing there on the sidelines helplessly, feeling, knowing that had he been on the field, that he might have made this play better or that, that maybe his team wouldn't have been down 21-0 at the half? Watching other people run back the punts and kick returns that he should have, knowing that if he had been out there, had been able to break this way instead of that, knowing he had a better burst of speed, maybe, just maybe, his team would have won.

All the time standing there, knowing how completely, how profoundly, how utterly he had let his teammates down. Whatever they said, however they treated him, tried to reassure him, it was a three point loss, in overtime...and he might have made the difference. He. Let. Them. Down.

Oh yeah. Kansas, two weeks. A spread offense. His actions cost the team an invaluable starting corner. Another nail in the coffin.

Don't tell me he wasn't thinking it. That's agony. That's shame. That's a lesson.

Not to mention that all the time he was standing there, all the plane ride home, all the bus ride back to Ames, and hours spent tossing and turning...he knew that he was going to have to walk into Gene Chizik's office the next day. Alone. And learn to be a man.

That's what punishment is.

Life is lessons to be learned. Not ejected from.
 
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jumbopackage

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Re: Anybody suggesting that Chizik should

Where is the dont do anything choice? Sorry, but at this point we cant afford to have him sit out right now. Whether it was a cheap shot or not, add a couple more to the loss column if he is out and i am not ok with that.

The NCAA takes that off the table. He's going to sit out the KU game no matter what happens.

consider kicking a kid off the team for personal fouls flat out has no clue about collegiate sports or sports in general.

My goodness, you do realize that many of these players are not great people off the field. Some of them are bullies, drunks, etc. and do not give you their all in practice every day. Many of these players never even come close to being kicked off a team.

That determines whether a kid is removed from a team. The coaches at quality programs would laugh you out of the room for suggesting that you should kick off a player for personal fouls alone.

Incredibly stupid suggestion demonstrating a lack of knowledge about sports and people in general.

How many kids in all of D1 football have been ejected from a game this year?
 

cyclonejk

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If ISU fans can forgive Jason Berryman (robbing someone for a cell phone and 3 to 4 dollars??) and accept him back into the Iowa State program, then we can definitely look past what happened tonight ON THE FIELD with Leonard Johnson. He didnt break any laws, just a heat of the moment play that has its consaquences along with the action. Dont just bail on a kid for a cheap shot play. Punish him appropriately and hope he learns from it, and get him back on the field once punishment is served.
 

benjay

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LJ made a mistake. He'll be punished, but return the wiser. Let it go imo.
 

DaddyMac

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For the camp that says "this kind of play is what we need to win", I don't want to win if we have to play like this to do it.

Dot. Period. End of sentence.

I'd rather go 0fer than win with guys playing like LJ has been playing.

Agree 100%.

This idea that we have to have personal foul after personal foul is ludicrous. There a hundred-something other football programs out there - most of whom have "aggressive" play. We seem to be the only one that needs to average a PF every quarter to do so. It's also about the only time I can remember - anywhere - where a QB makes a run to the endzone and get's lit up about 5 yards in.

This is 10x worse than Singleton lighting up the punt returner last week. It's 100x worse than the pushing and shoving and the punk-a$$ jaw-boning after plays

"It's aggressive play" is insulting. Last week I told a few hawk fans to take the black and gold blinders off. A few Clone fans need to take the cardinal and gold variety off.

I don't think LJ should get the boot. But he can spend sometime on the bench, running steps and whatever else.
 
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ISUFan22

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A few Clone fans need to take the cardinal and gold variety off.

This is a lot to ask.

And I agree, it is insulting that "aggressive" and "youth" are used as justification for poor actions here or excuses. There simply is no excuse.

Sit him, correct it and move on. He needs to get his **** together, because not only are the penalties hurting us - not having a guy of his caliber out there is and will hurt us just as much.
 

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Yeah...that's exactly what I've been saying - it's all his fault! :biglaugh:

I'd be just as upset if we won or lost - this crap has to stop. Not next season...not in a week or two...but now.

And your "perspective of the hit" talk is crap. What other perspective is there when a guy gets ejected? The refs certainly were not out to get him...

Do you actually read other peoples posts or just your own? It seems that there are a lot of people that think the hit wasn't as bad as others think it is. Which is called Perspective.

Did he get ejected be because it was his second personal foul or because he hit the QB? This hit was nothing more than an emotional and, yes over aggressive play by a player that hit the QB less than a second after the play was over. It happens all the time. It just looked really bad because it was a QB and it was right after a TD.

And FWIW, I've mostly agreed with everything you've said in this thread. I'm speaking to the people that want him off the team. The only thing we differ on is our "perspective" of the severity of the hit.
 

ISUFan22

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And FWIW, I've mostly agreed with everything you've said in this thread. I'm speaking to the people that want him off the team. The only thing we differ on is our "perspective" of the severity of the hit.

And we will continue to do so. I wouldn't care if he his a running back or a beefy offensive lineman that got put in at RB for a play. It was a rather late hit, deep into the end zone and there is no excuse for it.

I fully support him getting ejected and obviously Gene did too...as he was already telling LJ to get off the sidelines before he was ejected.

The hit is significantly magnified because LJ got back-to-back personal foul penalties - the 2nd right after getting chewed out. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. LJ last night was by far more part of the problem than a solution. His play impacted our losing significantly more than having a positive impact.

So far, he's learned nothing and that's the most troubling thing. Hopefully some bench time will provide as a learning experience.

If not? If he comes back, whenever that is, and is doing the same things? Adios. Should he come back and fix his silly mental errors? Awesome - because we could really use the smart LJ.