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I'm that "fan". :). 3PointLand was one of my favorite things ever. Not gonna lie, the streak ending is a bummer. It was something special for Iowa State and Chattanooga will more than likely break it in a few years.

But for those who are minimizing the streak, did you feel that way when Cal Ripken ended his Ironman streak? How about discounting Joe Dimaggio's hitting streak?

In the grand scheme of things the streak ending is just an ending and an opportunity to start a new streak. But for those of us who have been attending games since the late 90s, it was a shock to see it come to a close. Here's to the next 945 games. :D
I loved it so much! I remember being very mad when they put the new video board up and you had to stop. I appreciate your perspective on a new opportunity. It was a fun time, and you definitely contributed to it!
 

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Holy cow has Denae not improved. I remember her being pretty good going to the basket, but she's definitely lost some quickness.

This team just can't seem to find a solid offensive flow. Even when we score, it seems like a complete drudge to get there. They have to find a way to involve Audi but to still encourage some free-flowing offense.
I thought Denae looked very thin to the point of almost unhealthy.
 

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I loved it so much! I remember being very mad when they put the new video board up and you had to stop. I appreciate your perspective on a new opportunity. It was a fun time, and you definitely contributed to it!
And our current "new" scoreboard has no 3-pt tracker. Hmm.
 

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Yeah, she went from starting 31 games at ISU and playing 31.1 mpg to playing just 8.2 mpg game at Baylor last year and has a few DNP-CD at times too, she's started 13 of 19 games at TT this year for 24 mpg but has only broke double digit scoring in 2 games this season. I don't know why she transferred but I am sure she had her reasons. She was set up to take on a big role last year with us had she stayed especially when Ryan sat out the 1st part of the season. I will be interested to see how Bristow does going forward too because given our current roster and our struggles with bench production I think she would have seen at least the 15 mpg she got last year if not maybe even closer to 20.

Just something we have to live with now with the portal being what it is. Sometimes the grass is not always greener too and so far that's been the case for both of them.
Fennelly's coaching style is not for everyone. I'm not going to slam a player who doesn't like that style. But I often wonder if they have ever watched him coach when they commit to ISU. It's not like he hides it.
 

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Fennelly's coaching style is not for everyone. I'm not going to slam a player who doesn't like that style. But I often wonder if they have ever watched him coach when they commit to ISU. It's not like he hides it.
I do NOT want this to devolve into a CBF bashing topic...I have only really paid attention to ISU WBB for the past 3 years. CBF does not strike me as a fun person to play for. Now, that's not to say there isn't a need for discipline and high expectations. However, I don't see him smile or celebrate with the players much. It seems like he is yelling and pissed off most of the time. But I could be very wrong about that as I don't know what he's like behind closed doors.
 

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I do NOT want this to devolve into a CBF bashing topic...I have only really paid attention to ISU WBB for the past 3 years. CBF does not strike me as a fun person to play for. Now, that's not to say there isn't a need for discipline and high expectations. However, I don't see him smile or celebrate with the players much. It seems like he is yelling and pissed off most of the time. But I could be very wrong about that as I don't know what he's like behind closed doors.
Neither do I. I just get the feeling that he is a very different man when he isn't on the court and genuinely cares about his players as athletes, students and women. I just think he is very demanding on the court. It works for a lot of athletes but there are a lot of athletes who can't handle it or don't want to. I'm okay with athletes figuring out it isn't for them and moving on. I was disappointed when both the Tech players moved on from ISU but I can't say I want them to do well against ISU either.
 

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Neither do I. I just get the feeling that he is a very different man when he isn't on the court and genuinely cares about his players as athletes, students and women. I just think he is very demanding on the court. It works for a lot of athletes but there are a lot of athletes who can't handle it or don't want to. I'm okay with athletes figuring out it isn't for them and moving on. I was disappointed when both the Tech players moved on from ISU but I can't say I want them to do well against ISU either.
CBF reminds me a lot of my HS coach. He was a screamer and had high standards. I know a lot of athletes want (or need) that push. So, I'm not saying his way is wrong. But I also know it didn't work for me. I'm the kind of person that if you talk to me like an intelligent human being, I'll do anything for you. But if you're going to scream at me, you'll get next to nothing.

But hey, I'm not a D1 athlete either! :p
 

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CBF reminds me a lot of my HS coach. He was a screamer and had high standards. I know a lot of athletes want (or need) that push. So, I'm not saying his way is wrong. But I also know it didn't work for me. I'm the kind of person that if you talk to me like an intelligent human being, I'll do anything for you. But if you're going to scream at me, you'll get next to nothing.

But hey, I'm not a D1 athlete either! :p
As a former coach, I recognized different players require different techniques to reach them. Fennelly is intense during the game (although nowhere near as much as he used to be), but his personal dealings with players are very different.
 

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CBF reminds me a lot of my HS coach. He was a screamer and had high standards. I know a lot of athletes want (or need) that push. So, I'm not saying his way is wrong. But I also know it didn't work for me. I'm the kind of person that if you talk to me like an intelligent human being, I'll do anything for you. But if you're going to scream at me, you'll get next to nothing.

But hey, I'm not a D1 athlete either! :p
My daughter was the same way. She just wanted to know what was wanted of her, but she didn't respond to screaming. At the same time some kind words after doing it right was all she needed.
 
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As a former coach, I recognized different players require different techniques to reach them. Fennelly is intense during the game (although nowhere near as much as he used to be), but his personal dealings with players are very different.
Coach catches a lot of grief on here. As you have posted he is much calmer than he was in the past (I have watched for 20 years)and anyone who has watched him can tell you. People should watch a few of the coaches on some of the top rated teams and you will see much more intense action then what we are getting from coach today.
 
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Apologies if this was already discussed in the thread. But why was Reagan Willson's foul determined to be an "intentional foul" it was probably a "flagrant one" with the possible elbow to the face but it was certainly not "intentional". On the "intentional" any Tech player could shoot the free throws.

Then Audi gets an arm to the face and it is "incidental contact"! Not even a foul.
 

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Apologies if this was already discussed in the thread. But why was Reagan Willson's foul determined to be an "intentional foul" it was probably a "flagrant one" with the possible elbow to the face but it was certainly not "intentional". On the "intentional" any Tech player could shoot the free throws.

Then Audi gets an arm to the face and it is "incidental contact"! Not even a foul.

Those aren't the definitions used in NCAA WBB. It's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" but that's sort of a technicality. Sort of just new terms for Flagrant 1 and Flagrant 2 from FIBA like quarters and not half's and no one-and-ones.

The incidental fingers slap to Audi was, as announcers like to say, "a basketball play" and that was not likely to be called upon review. Would have been a foul if seen live but not something they are going to assess a foul to upon review. They aren't reviewing to see if there is a regular foul, that was one, but only reviewing to see if something rose to "unsportsmanlike". Basically that one was a foul they missed but not an "unsportsmanlike" one. The one on TT was correct and easy. Think the other one on Jackson could have been a pass upon review but I think they were looking to get control of the game a little and maybe Jackson not being 100% innocent on the previous one played into it.

It's sometimes hard to know what they will decide upon review. Frankly I think they do too many of them. If it's an elbow thrown, especially above the shoulders it's almost automatic. Fingers and incidentals to face, pretty low chance.


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The NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel adopted the "flagrant" term before the 2011-12 season for both men's and women's basketball. However, the NCAA's women's rules committee abandoned the term "flagrant", effective with the 2017–18 season, in favor of FIBA's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" terms.[7] These fouls are counted as personal fouls and technical fouls.

  • A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders". This offense includes the former "intentional foul" of fouling an opposing player to prevent an easy breakaway score. In women's basketball only, the unsportsmanlike foul also includes contact dead-ball technical fouls. The penalty for a flagrant 1 or unsportsmanlike foul is two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul.
  • A flagrant 2 foul (men's) or disqualifying foul (women's) involves unsportsmanlike conduct that is extreme in nature, including "when a player swings an elbow excessively and makes contact above the shoulders", or excessive or severe contact during a dead ball (men only). Fighting is also a flagrant 2 or disqualifying foul. The penalty for a flagrant 2 or disqualifying foul is immediate ejection of the offender, plus two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the division line opposite the scorer's table.
 
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Those aren't the definitions used in NCAA WBB. It's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" but that's sort of a technicality. Sort of just new terms for Flagrant 1 and Flagrant 2 from FIBA like quarters and not half's and no one-and-ones.

The incidental fingers slap to Audi was, as announcers like to say, "a basketball play" and that was not likely to be called upon review. Would have been a foul if seen live but not something they are going to assess a foul to upon review. They aren't reviewing to see if there is a regular foul, that was one, but only reviewing to see if something rose to "unsportsmanlike". Basically that one was a foul they missed but not an "unsportsmanlike" one. The one on TT was correct and easy. Think the other one on Jackson could have been a pass upon review but I think they were looking to get control of the game a little and maybe Jackson not being 100% innocent on the previous one played into it.

It's sometimes hard to know what they will decide upon review. Frankly I think they do too many of them. If it's an elbow thrown, especially above the shoulders it's almost automatic. Fingers and incidentals to face, pretty low chance.


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The NCAA's Playing Rules Oversight Panel adopted the "flagrant" term before the 2011-12 season for both men's and women's basketball. However, the NCAA's women's rules committee abandoned the term "flagrant", effective with the 2017–18 season, in favor of FIBA's "unsportsmanlike" and "disqualifying" terms.[7] These fouls are counted as personal fouls and technical fouls.

  • A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders". This offense includes the former "intentional foul" of fouling an opposing player to prevent an easy breakaway score. In women's basketball only, the unsportsmanlike foul also includes contact dead-ball technical fouls. The penalty for a flagrant 1 or unsportsmanlike foul is two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul.
  • A flagrant 2 foul (men's) or disqualifying foul (women's) involves unsportsmanlike conduct that is extreme in nature, including "when a player swings an elbow excessively and makes contact above the shoulders", or excessive or severe contact during a dead ball (men only). Fighting is also a flagrant 2 or disqualifying foul. The penalty for a flagrant 2 or disqualifying foul is immediate ejection of the offender, plus two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the division line opposite the scorer's table.
Thanks for this.

From my view Reagen didn't make contact with her elbow, but perhaps just getting too close is enough as it is threatening a foul?
 

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Thanks for this.

From my view Reagen didn't make contact with her elbow, but perhaps just getting too close is enough as it is threatening a foul?

Think you are right. Elbows are like waving a red flag in front of a bull with these reviews.

I actually missed this play as I was trying to watch two game at once, my local Gophers looking to upset Maryland and our game. Rare opportunity for me to see the Gophers since most of their games have only been streamed and not on a venue I could watch.

I think a lot of fans are confused when they see a common foul that was missed and think that can be called upon review. It can't. They are only looked for something excessive they missed, not a regular foul they missed. Some broadcast crews are better at explaining that. And, I get why it confuses fans.
 

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When is the last time the men didn't hit one? Is that even a record schools keep?
Using Stathead (I have a subscription), it looks like 11/9/2007 against Winston-Salem. Men were 0-12 behind the arc, lead by Sean Haluska's 0-6. Craig Brackens had 13 points to lead four Cyclones in double-digits. ISU won 58-44.
 

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A few other three-point stats while I'm on Stathead:

  • In WBB there are typically 2 or 3 games per year where neither team hits a three. It's happened once this season: 11/23/2024, when Arkansas-Pine Bluff and Sam Houston State combined to shoot 0-8 behind the arc.

  • Only three times since the 2014-15 WBB season has a team not attempted a three: UCF (2/10/2018 @ Temple), Central Arkansas (3/11/2021 vs Houston Baptist), and Colgate (2/8/2023 @ Lehigh).

  • On 11/14/2014, San Diego State beat Sacramento State 99-91 without attempting a three. Why was this notable? Sacramento State attempted 58 threes, making 13.
 
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Chattanooga is the new leader for the streak at 790 games. So in about 5 years they may get to 945.

Interesting that the Men's streak is held by UNLV at 1235 games. Duke is behind them by 1 game.
 
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