demoncore1031
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Agreed. Personally, I am a huge fan of George Knapp. You can tell he is a genuine and honest person.
UFO stuff & "The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch"
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No matter how they prove themselves, anyone investigating this topic is suspect. Knapp has no major missteps in a career spanning decades and people are trying to tarnish him, He does the dirty work often uncovering stuff. George Knapp has reported on some crazy unbelievable things and earned respect as much as can be afforded in this field.
It's new to me (though I heard it was in the works), and I will undoubtedly be reading it. Thanks.
Weary of UFO docs no doubt, but here is one which is well-done, hits major points, and connects with the subject(s) in an authentic factual presentation. It is worth a view on a hot late-summer day indoors or any other time.
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An interview with the executive producer has a lot of answers. I saw that each cast member has signed a contract and must adhere to not inventing, fictionalizing, setting up, or faking anything that occurs on "Skin Walker."
Behind the Camera • 'The SECRET OF SKINWALKER RANCH' • Executive Producer T.J. ALLARD
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To add credence to this book one of the boys who originally witnessed the crashed craft was interviewed not too long ago. You can call him, now an elderly man, nuts, mistaken, or a publicity seeker as I have no words to apply. The metal item he presents in my mind is something the military left behind not aliens.
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The Trinity UFO Crash of 1945
The not-so-famous UFO case that caused the US Congress to spend millions of taxpayer dollars.
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Spoiler alert, it's all made up.The Trinity UFO Crash of 1945
The not-so-famous UFO case that caused the US Congress to spend millions of taxpayer dollars.skeptoid.com
...well, maybe.
Something happened near Trinity New Mexico in 1945. I enjoyed this book on first reading even though I noticed several mistakes in the texts and facts. (For instance, the story of the Army planting highly poisonous "Cockle spurs" on the crash site was erroneous as he meant Cocklebur. It is toxic but often sprouts in disturbed areas without prompting.)
Reading the book the second time I realized my admiration for Jacques Vallée may be tested. I believed he was digging up facts to build a strong case, which maybe he had. But Vallée has hints of one but not a concrete base by some accounts. He tells the story well, though repetitiously and the story seems like it could be as "real" as Roswell. I was also disappointed that Vallée clung to the metallic thing that Padilla offered as physical proof of nothing unearthly
Critics may be right witnesses may be gold diggers. But to debunkers, a chicken leg to them is a bovine femur. Many of the "lies" and embellishments attributed to Baca and Padilla were nothing which doesn't happen to most people in time (50+ years), details may get lost, confused, conflated, or created. The overall story may well be true, something was found. As for golddiggers, nowhere have I read hoaxers Baca and Padilla got rich out of this and looked for compensation as a side benefit. They did hit gold in being called crazy, though.
One observation related by Baca and Padilla was how the aliens moved, they seemed to float, and eye contact made instantly had strong mental effects. Those attributions to the aliens are not widely known. Another is, that the Army spent a large amount of time and energy on the "crash" site which needs to be explained.
Critics also say Vallée and co-author Harris were so flustered with not having adequate defense for the "errors" in the story which contradict the the whole lot as to make both non-responsive. Wiki addresses this in the Critisms and Responses section at the link:
Trinity UFO Case - Wikipedia
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Interview with Luis Elizondo by Ross Coulthart on News Nation for consideration and critique:
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I bought "Trinity The Best-Kept Secret" (Sept 2021 edition) and was very disappointed in it. I agree, something did happen there. Padilla says that his cousin built a dam on the site to create a pond for cattle watering....well, maybe.
Something happened near Trinity New Mexico in 1945. I enjoyed this book on first reading even though I noticed several mistakes in the texts and facts. (For instance, the story of the Army planting highly poisonous "Cockle spurs" on the crash site was erroneous as he meant Cocklebur. It is toxic but often sprouts in disturbed areas without prompting.)
Reading the book the second time I realized my admiration for Jacques Vallée may be tested. I believed he was digging up facts to build a strong case, which maybe he had. But Vallée has hints of one but not a concrete base by some accounts. He tells the story well, though repetitiously and the story seems like it could be as "real" as Roswell. I was also disappointed that Vallée clung to the metallic thing that Padilla offered as physical proof of nothing unearthly
Critics may be right witnesses may be gold diggers. But to debunkers, a chicken leg to them is a bovine femur. Many of the "lies" and embellishments attributed to Baca and Padilla were nothing which doesn't happen to most people in time (50+ years), details may get lost, confused, conflated, or created. The overall story may well be true, something was found. As for golddiggers, nowhere have I read hoaxers Baca and Padilla got rich out of this and looked for compensation as a side benefit. They did hit gold in being called crazy, though.
One observation related by Baca and Padilla was how the aliens moved, they seemed to float, and eye contact made instantly had strong mental effects. Those attributions to the aliens are not widely known. Another is, that the Army spent a large amount of time and energy on the "crash" site which needs to be explained.
Critics also say Vallée and co-author Harris were so flustered with not having adequate defense for the "errors" in the story which contradict the the whole lot as to make both non-responsive. Wiki addresses this in the Critisms and Responses section at the link:
Trinity UFO Case - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
However, it's an odd place for a pond since there is very little drainage area above it. There are better drainage areas downstream not that far away. The old road that went through the site was relocated and improved, yet it only goes to a ranch facility that isn't much, just some corrals. It only provides access to other areas out in desolate ranch areas. The relocation wasn't necessary.
There were many, many errors and discrepancies. The metal object "the treasure" turned out to be a part of an Aermotor windmill, part #A585, Windmill tailbone casting. See footnote #28 in the book. Reading the book did not give me a good impression of Paola Harris nor Jacques Vallee for being associated with the book.
Here is a video of Paola Harris' presentation at a 2013 MUFON Symposium. At the 48 minute mark begins a clip of a visit to the "crash site" with Jose Padilla. None of the presentation or clip is very impressive.
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Full interview where Padilla returns to the crash site and describes the incident is available here:
Why does this toothless old man drag himself hundreds of miles into the hot desolate NM desert to recount a lie? I don't get it.
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That's a pretty good on-site video. I had used it back in 2022 to confirm the location of geographical features of the crash site that I had located on Google Earth. I have the crash site located at 33°54'15.86"N, 106°55'45.58"W.
As far as Jose Padilla dragging himself out into the desert just to tell a lie, this is kind of how I look at it. Rather than Jose Padilla feeling as though he was dragging himself out into the hot desolate desert in NM, I can see him being very happy about getting a free trip from his home in California to San Antonio, NM paid for by Paola Harris (just guessing that she would do that to get the exclusive on-site interview).
Although the site of the "crash" is in a desolate area, it is only four miles from downtown San Antonio. We have to remember that the crash site area was part of his and his friend Reme's playground, a very important area for him to come back to and relive old memories.
For him this would be a trip back to his boyhood home and an opportunity to visit his numerous relatives in the area, maybe even have a family reunion. The Padilla name is very big in this area ever since the 1800's at least. There are numerous Padilla ranches, families and settlements in the area so I'm guessing that there were a lot of his relatives around to enjoy a good visit with.
In addition, it is obvious that he likes to tell his story to anyone who will listen and also I think that he enjoys the notoriety and attention. So, I think that he enjoyed the trip immensely and jumped at the chance to take it.
As far as the accuracy of his account of the crash goes, it has already been proven that the most important part of his story does not add up. That is his story of entering the craft and taking, what he called the "treasure", off of the wall and claiming that it came from the craft. In reality what he called the "treasure" has been identified as a "windmill tailbone casting". The only remaining artifact from the "crash" site turns out to be not what he claimed it to be, which then, in turn casts doubt on the rest of the details in his story.
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Continuing the conversation, Padilla remains the lone witness to this incident. I will add observations that may not prove his story but keep his claim from being drowned completely by offering alternative interpretations and comparisons of facts and statements in the case.
First I'd like to think of a scenario where something widely seen concurrently broadcast live, witnesses on-site, video and images taken where no alternate explanation could be offered other than the one which was "reality-based." Nevertheless, alternate storylines other than the "accepted reality-based" one bubble up. Reviewing and examining the images, interviewing the witnesses, and some of the facts were then credibility interpreted differently. A good comparison would be Presidential assassination and assassination attempts.
Exploring the "Trinity" incident vs its hoax/real explanation to the assassination example cited ignoring the apples and oranges (assassinations are real and crashed UFOs maybe not) nature of the comparison. The Kennedy assassination was seen live, taped, photoed, witnessed, and broadcast. And yet who did what is questioned to this day. The recent attempt on a former president's life sent conspiracy theorists into a tizzy as it seemed too preposterously infinitesimally unlikely that it couldn't be. Assuredly, it happened that a tiny nonessential anatomical appendage was ever so slightly grazed and real blood issued. Yet people were suspecting a false flag to instill martyrdom upon him and aid his re-election chances. Or, was the blood streaking down his right cheek the blood from another fatally struck?
With that comparison made how does one come to any conclusion about the tenuous facts of the Trinity incident even if it is true?
Jose Padilla, buoyant by the offer to revisit the crash site, and maybe see old friends and family fueled by interest once again, regales the curious of his singular adventure as a boy. It was special to relate the story, recount his experience, and recapture that feeling of others interested in his vacant life.
Padilla in that video was in his 80s by my estimation and maybe enjoyed the trip, air-conditioned ride, smoothly traveling down rough roads he cowpoked down as a kid. Maybe, but the motivation for an 80-year-old to make that trek in my experience is what I rely on. I could see him having a routine at home in California and more comfortably recounting the "hoax" story again from there. In the video, he does not seem frail, is talkative, and has his wits. I come to conclude he came to accept the on-site interview and amenities, not because it was free but because he is genuinely driven to re-tell his story to instill and record what he accurately witnessed.
Vallée and Harris's "TRINITY: The Best-Kept Secret" does suggest that the wind mill part may have been used by the Army as part of the rigging of electrical lines (I think Padilla noted a generator in use) or as part of some support as they deconstructed the craft. Padilla found it the only part he could remove because it was not part of the craft. With this soup bone latched onto by pitbull skeptics/cynics/debunkers disproven, it was the Jinga block that brought the "Trinity" fable down. This struck me upon first reading that it was a possibility: it was the Army's.
Lastly, this closing point. Padilla even as a kid must have known that if he grabbed some random piece of hardware and claimed it as an alien artifact, he had set himself up to be easily discredited. In wrenching the windmill part free from the craft, unaware it was hardware that the Soldiers had found and used expediently, he naively believed he had something special and so adamantly adhered to it being a "treasure."
First I'd like to think of a scenario where something widely seen concurrently broadcast live, witnesses on-site, video and images taken where no alternate explanation could be offered other than the one which was "reality-based." Nevertheless, alternate storylines other than the "accepted reality-based" one bubble up. Reviewing and examining the images, interviewing the witnesses, and some of the facts were then credibility interpreted differently. A good comparison would be Presidential assassination and assassination attempts.
Exploring the "Trinity" incident vs its hoax/real explanation to the assassination example cited ignoring the apples and oranges (assassinations are real and crashed UFOs maybe not) nature of the comparison. The Kennedy assassination was seen live, taped, photoed, witnessed, and broadcast. And yet who did what is questioned to this day. The recent attempt on a former president's life sent conspiracy theorists into a tizzy as it seemed too preposterously infinitesimally unlikely that it couldn't be. Assuredly, it happened that a tiny nonessential anatomical appendage was ever so slightly grazed and real blood issued. Yet people were suspecting a false flag to instill martyrdom upon him and aid his re-election chances. Or, was the blood streaking down his right cheek the blood from another fatally struck?
With that comparison made how does one come to any conclusion about the tenuous facts of the Trinity incident even if it is true?
Jose Padilla, buoyant by the offer to revisit the crash site, and maybe see old friends and family fueled by interest once again, regales the curious of his singular adventure as a boy. It was special to relate the story, recount his experience, and recapture that feeling of others interested in his vacant life.
Padilla in that video was in his 80s by my estimation and maybe enjoyed the trip, air-conditioned ride, smoothly traveling down rough roads he cowpoked down as a kid. Maybe, but the motivation for an 80-year-old to make that trek in my experience is what I rely on. I could see him having a routine at home in California and more comfortably recounting the "hoax" story again from there. In the video, he does not seem frail, is talkative, and has his wits. I come to conclude he came to accept the on-site interview and amenities, not because it was free but because he is genuinely driven to re-tell his story to instill and record what he accurately witnessed.
Vallée and Harris's "TRINITY: The Best-Kept Secret" does suggest that the wind mill part may have been used by the Army as part of the rigging of electrical lines (I think Padilla noted a generator in use) or as part of some support as they deconstructed the craft. Padilla found it the only part he could remove because it was not part of the craft. With this soup bone latched onto by pitbull skeptics/cynics/debunkers disproven, it was the Jinga block that brought the "Trinity" fable down. This struck me upon first reading that it was a possibility: it was the Army's.
Lastly, this closing point. Padilla even as a kid must have known that if he grabbed some random piece of hardware and claimed it as an alien artifact, he had set himself up to be easily discredited. In wrenching the windmill part free from the craft, unaware it was hardware that the Soldiers had found and used expediently, he naively believed he had something special and so adamantly adhered to it being a "treasure."
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A contemporary of Dr. David Jacobs working independently was Dr. Carla Turner who came to much the same findings on abduction and wrote a book on it:
Taken: Inside the Alien-Human Abduction Agenda : Karla Turner : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Dr. Karla Turner (1947 – January 9, 1996) was widely respected in the UFO community for her research on alien abduction. A scholar and professional...archive.org
This video is long but goes into a breezy, constructive, exploration of several abduction experiences:
The Army "alternative interpretation" was hesitantly proposed as a possibility by Vallee but later he disowned it, however Harris kept adamantly promoting it. The Army alternative interpretation was concocted up after it was pointed out that the treasured artifact that Jose had taken from the craft was a windmill tailbone casting. Oops! It was such a weak "alternative interpretation" as to be laughable.
As for my opinion of the whole incident, I think that the boys saw something. What it was, no one knows except the Army. Does that cast doubt on the whole UFO subject-no it doesn't. There are countless numbers of better documented UFO incidents.
An example would be the Socorro NM UFO landing just 10 miles up the road. Observed by a trained professional law-enforcement officer, policeman Lonnie Zamora while on duty. Evidence of the landing was documented and photographed. Lonnie was thoroughly investigated and found to be an extremely reliable witness. A memorial exists to this day near the site where he observed the craft on the ground and it's occupants walking around.
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