That is reasonable. I am on board with finding out what this is using Science. If not alien life what it is is a physical aspect of our reality which is equally strange.
UFO stuff & "The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch"
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Exactly, since von Däniken it’s always defaulted to “it’s aliens”. We’re shutting out some equally unusual or more mundane possibilities when we jump to that conclusion first. When dealing with unknowns, evidence is priceless, speculation mostly worthless.
I watched this last night. Interesting talk, but it doesn't attempt to answer any new questions. They discuss how they would evaluate any materials they get their hands on, but it is what one would expect scientists to use. They discuss the specific instance from Council Bluffs, but they just say it's a chunk of quality metal. Sooooo....a chunk of metal fell to the earth. A UAP? I suppose it qualifies. Interesting? Not really. I read up on the Council Bluffs incident and most witnesses say they saw a chunk of molten metal hurtling to the ground...and that's about it. Reports of an actual spacecraft are sketchy and many believe the whole event to be a hoax.
There are numerous folks that have said over the years they have seen actual spacecraft. So.....where are the crafts? And how have so many people kept the world's greatest secret for so long?
If a spacecraft crashes into my backyard, I doubt the military shows up before 100 of my neighbors do. So how is the military supposedly swooping in and running off with these things before anyone takes a picture or tells their friends? Every single time it happens?
I'm not being argumentative....I just struggle mightily to believe there are any not of this Earth craft in possession of humans anywhere on this planet.
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That is called Science in what the SOL video portrays. No matter the findings in Science there is no proof there is only the latest accepted theory. As for crafts in hangars, I have no clue.
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I would be interested in explanations of cases that have previously defied identification. A lot smarter people than me have not got those answers.
That is why we ask "Are there aliens" as all other known possibilities do not explain the observations especially those that include beings of some sort. In all discoveries, the first observation is usually "that's odd." Then we move to ways to explore and explain the oddity. If we are dealing with highly evolved aliens who can not hide completely, but find ways to stall our outstanding of them or even their very existence. Well, that might be where we are at with this topic...still stuck on saying "That's odd."
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I will further answer your post attempting to respond to some of the points you raise. My knowledge may be no better than any others. However, I have been interested in the topic since about 1969 and have been exposed to extensive UFO literature and media.
It is accepted that multiple observers witnessed molten metal in Council Bluffs coming from a lighted object. Three different parties (there were more) including police reported it, one from fairly close by. Explaining how several hundred pounds of molten material came falling to Earth is difficult. It was not space re-entry debris, known metal processing slag, or of meteoritic origin. Experts have eliminated those as a source.
Hoaxers would have to have a way to lift likely 1,800+ F-degree liquid high in the air. Where would they obtain this and how would they keep it hot? A large lighted balloon lifting a heated caldron of heavy dangerous molten metal high enough to be seen for miles? It is difficult and highly suspect that such a stunt would be feasible even if some wealthy hoaxers were involved in the 1970's. The case was sufficiently documented by the Police assuring the material was not dumped by a grounded hoaxer.
The SOL video with Garry Nolan found the material sampled had been manufactured. His interest was peaked by the inhomogeneous ratio of elements of the "molten mixture*" samples. He thought it interesting leaving him to look for further ways to analyze the material. The Council Bluffs case is not some simple thing to be explained away easily. It had multiple witnesses and artifacts related to a craft. And, the origin of the sample could not be identified.
*How was it that the molten mixture still had very separated elements?
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Crashed alien crafts are an elusive topic. No known public photos are available, and no authentic materials with the provenance chain of control are documented. Many stories start with people coming across a downed craft. They investigate it and within hours the military arrives, swears (threatens) witnesses to life-long silence, strips materials and cameras, and cleans up the site after they secret away the craft.
Dozens of reports like this. One that came to light recently in a pretty interesting book you may want to read:
TRINITY: The Best-Kept Secret Amazon product ASIN B094ZQ1GW5
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My response here closes by stating you don't have to believe any of it. UFOs are a source of entertainment, or maybe curiosity for many. People often have not thought through things in believing alien beings are here and all that entails. Otherwise, people have to be making it all up. The lights and crafts are misidentifications, hoaxes, lies, or fantasies. The landing marks and abductions are coincidences and dreams. The photos, crashes, and pieces of crafts are all more of the same.
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Las Vegas alien video shows at least 2 'beings' using 'cloaking' device: 'I'm opening it up to peer review'
A crime scene reconstruction expert broke down a video of a reported alien sighting and pointed out two "visual anomalies" that he believes are aliens
This video was out there not long after the original sighting. What it shows is blurs, does that support the case? The crime scene investigator wants the video to be seen as evidence added to associated peculiarities observed at the scene. What is the other evidence? I have not heard of anything other than this video and fearful recollections by the family, mostly the son.Las Vegas alien video shows at least 2 'beings' using 'cloaking' device: 'I'm opening it up to peer review'
A crime scene reconstruction expert broke down a video of a reported alien sighting and pointed out two "visual anomalies" that he believes are alienswww.yahoo.com
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"Secret of Skinwalker Ranch" often shows equipment failures and malfunctions as evidence of intelligent entities at work. It could be, as many experts with properly functioning devices quickly go out of service. It does appear more than coincidental and worth keeping in mind. That is equatable to the "blurred video" which is not quite there as proof of aliens but it seems to demonstrate something out there but who is to say as to what?
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I should include this very long and thorough video as one of the better resources to introduce the history of UFOs:
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It could be, but if the investigators are correct they have a particular agenda.
That seems fairly wide speculation. I've seen everything from resource theft to human zoo to we're offspring of one of the alien races.
All interesting in their own way, but I'm not sure what the agenda is
If you go with one of the longest-running abduction investigators David Jacobs (over 50 years, 2,000 abductees) he has put his "speculation" into words:
But maybe that is just one group of aliens, the others could see us as a zoo, scenic tour, or a hunting ground.
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Criticisms of Dr. Jacobs and more about him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._JacobsIf you go with one of the longest-running abduction investigators David Jacobs (over 50 years, 2,000 abductees) he has put his "speculation" into words:
But maybe that is just one group of aliens, the others could see us as a zoo, scenic tour, or a hunting ground.
UFO thinkers concur and have thought about this inconsistency for years. Astoundingly, advanced space-faring crafts get to Earth and crash as the stories go. Could there be any way this is possible? Well if we look into this possibility here are some of the discussions forwarded to explain it:
1. In the 1940s, multiple UFO crashes were reported from the SW US, especially New Mexico. Often these were associated with newly installed powerful radar banks. Amazingly, one abducted person was told telepathically "We have fixed the problem your radar caused to our propulsion system!" At that time the new Air Force installed the radar and was in place to guard the military's secret developments in the area.
2. There are suggestions there are so many crafts, traveling at hyper speeds, that in the end, some fail.
3. Corresponding with #2 is that many of these crafts are what you would call AI, self-built and self-controlled, so are on their own, and are sort of "learning." Learning involves mistakes and crashes.
4. Jacques Vallée has espoused the idea that some of the crashes are on purpose to provide technology for human advancement. To me, this one sounds the craziest.
5. How do the beings defeat the limit of the speed of light as they traverse space? Well, the crafts have been clocked at tens of thousands of miles an hour. They could go faster and so time dilation sets in and thousands of years to us may be years to them. Abductees have not been able to ascertain the home of the beings. Yet, aliens have revealed they have slowly leap-frogged across space finding life-bearing planets where they rest, interbreed (!) with that planet's life then move on. David Jacobs's work, if it is to be believed, indicates that the original "species" is a powerful, highly advanced mantis-like being. They interbreed with other species to adapt to the planet and likely derive workerlike clones (think grays). And so we end with the abduction phenomenon of humans.
Hope you enjoyed this side adventure into the hypothetical.
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A contemporary of Dr. David Jacobs working independently was Dr. Carla Turner who came to much the same findings on abduction and wrote a book on it:
Taken: Inside the Alien-Human Abduction Agenda : Karla Turner : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Dr. Karla Turner (1947 – January 9, 1996) was widely respected in the UFO community for her research on alien abduction. A scholar and professional...
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