UFO stuff & "The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch"

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UFO thinkers concur and have thought about this inconsistency for years. Astoundingly, advanced space-faring crafts get to Earth and crash as the stories go. Could there be any way this is possible? Well if we look into this possibility here are some of the discussions forwarded to explain it:

1. In the 1940s, multiple UFO crashes were reported from the SW US, especially New Mexico. Often these were associated with newly installed powerful radar banks. Amazingly, one abducted person was told telepathically "We have fixed the problem your radar caused to our propulsion system!" At that time the new Air Force installed the radar and was in place to guard the military's secret developments in the area.

2. There are suggestions there are so many crafts, traveling at hyper speeds, that in the end, some fail.

3. Corresponding with #2 is that many of these crafts are what you would call AI, self-built and self-controlled, so are on their own, and are sort of "learning." Learning involves mistakes and crashes.

4. Jacques Vallée has espoused the idea that some of the crashes are on purpose to provide technology for human advancement. To me, this one sounds the craziest.

5. How do the beings defeat the limit of the speed of light as they traverse space? Well, the crafts have been clocked at tens of thousands of miles an hour. They could go faster and so time dilation sets in and thousands of years to us may be years to them. Abductees have not been able to ascertain the home of the beings. Yet, aliens have revealed they have slowly leap-frogged across space finding life-bearing planets where they rest, interbreed (!) with that planet's life then move on. David Jacobs's work, if it is to be believed, indicates that the original "species" is a powerful, highly advanced mantis-like being. They interbreed with other species to adapt to the planet and likely derive workerlike clones (think grays). And so we end with the abduction phenomenon of humans.

Hope you enjoyed this side adventure into the hypothetical.
A lot of UFO sightings happened in Washington State and northern California just a week or two before the Roswell crash. I have an old newspaper article that is about a man named Kjell Qvale and several other people parking their vehicles along side a busy road in Washington and watched a space ship slowly floating over their heads. This was just days before the Roswell incident.

My personal belief is that there are many intelligent life forms out there that have been visiting Earth for thousands of years. Ancient civilizations have left us evidence through drawings in caves and on petroglyphs, etc.

I have quite a few native American friends and I have discussed this topic with some of their elder relatives. They have some amazing stories from their ancestors, of "sky people" who visit our planet. They have told me about portals and I have always found that interesting.
 

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Why aren't there more UFO images close up? Ellen Crystall's lifelong experience of close encounters leads her to make several observations about why. Her journey to California and then back to the NE US culminated in UFO adventures in Pine Bush, NY. There Crystall had a reality-expanding collision with aliens, read her book free or convert it to an audiobook (AI voices to select from):

 
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Mass sightings at schools by students of UFOs and aliens are part of this phenomenon.

Here are five of many reports, some with background information, which really test that the kids were fabulating or wholly mistaken.

Zimbabwe, 1994, 62 students

Australia, 1966, 300 students and teachers


Wales, 1977, 15+ students

Florida, 1967, 12 students and teacher


Britain, 1967, 6 students (alien only?)


Here is a video addendum and expansion of "UFOs near schools.":



 
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I saw an episode the other day. I see they are still drilling holes into the mesa. After 5 years at failing with the drill you would think they would try a bulldozer to see what's in there.
I'm just going to assume they are still shooting bigger rockets into the air.
 
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I saw an episode the other day. I see they are still drilling holes into the mesa. After 5 years at failing with the drill you would think they would try a bulldozer to see what's in there.
I'm just going to assume they are still shooting bigger rockets into the air.
It's a good idea to excavate the entire mesa. After all, there could be that long-sought whatever in there. They can move mountains to get coal, strip-mine for gold, and devour wildlands for tar sand, so why not one hilltop? But it would never happen for whatever reason. Native American sacred ground would seem the top reason I assume.

There is oddball stuff they just pulled out of the borehole into the mesa, I don't get what it all means. The UAPs, the seeming attack on a calf, and radiation are so strange.
 
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I know there was a case of a repeat alien landing at a farm in Clayton County in the 60s or 70s. And there are many other records but is there a single good work up on the UFO subject for the state?

Are there any comprehensive, authoritative, and accurate books on UFOs and aliens for Iowa?

Here is where UFOs have been recorded in Iowas: https://www.axios.com/local/des-moi...d-iowas-ufo-hotspots-desmoines-aliens-reports
 

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Here is example from Van Horne 1969 go to July 13: http://www.nicap.org/chronos/1969fullrep.htm

This video by one of the most prolific and thorough UFO researchers Preston Dennett covers the Van Horne, Iowa landing trace case (called a very significant event by Dr. J. Allen Hynek).

Watch in its entirety or forward to the 34.30 mark for the Van Horne case:


 
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Recently there have been some characters that straddle the realms of science and fiction who have proclaimed that SETI has found evidence of alien technosignatures. If you ever ran the "SETI at Home" screensaver, you were part of that analysis. The Breakthrough Listen project are supposedly working feverishly to verify those findings, according to the "whistleblowers". If true, those assertions could be verified soon.

 

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Recently there have been some characters that straddle the realms of science and fiction who have proclaimed that SETI has found evidence of alien technosignatures. If you ever ran the "SETI at Home" screensaver, you were part of that analysis. The Breakthrough Listen project are supposedly working feverishly to verify those findings, according to the "whistleblowers". If true, those assertions could be verified soon.


Are we in the 3 Body Problem timeline?
 

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As I indicated way back earlier in this thread, my reading of the 70s to 90s UFO literature was done as if it were SCI-FI. Several current movies about scary aliens (like NOPE! and the upcoming 2023 Alien: Romulus) got me thinking about some of the weird stuff scores of UFO researchers have come across.

Especially chilling are the well-documented horrors (which still may be occurring) in the N.E. of Brazil especially on and around the city of Belem near the Amazon mouth.

Even though there was quite a bit of evidence for the cases disclosed in the book-read here free: "UFO Danger Zone by Bob Pratt, " I have a hard time seeing it as a reality and instead as some tall tale. https://tinyurl.com/bdzm4ba9

Give it a read and see what you think.
The warnings: Don't read alone, at night, with the door unlocked. Seriously makes you think.
Ross Coulthart interviews further investigations into this area of Brazil with high strangeness. In this episode of "Reality Check with Ross Coulthart," renowned Brazilian UFO researcher Rony Vernet ventures into the heart of the Amazon rainforest. Driven by years of intriguing reports, Vernet sets out to investigate extraordinary phenomena that suggest the presence of UFOs.

 

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In December 2023, Australian Skeptics announced that Ross Coulthart was their 2023 Bent Spoon Award winner for his uncritical journalism concerning his belief that governments and the Vatican are covering up "wreckage of downed extraterrestrial spacecraft and the bodies of their pilots."
 

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In December 2023, Australian Skeptics announced that Ross Coulthart was their 2023 Bent Spoon Award winner for his uncritical journalism concerning his belief that governments and the Vatican are covering up "wreckage of downed extraterrestrial spacecraft and the bodies of their pilots."Coulthart won the 1996 Logie Award for Most Outstanding Achievement in Public Affairs for an expose of corruption in Australian Aboriginal Legal Services.[22][23]

Awards and honors​

  • Coulthart won the 1996 Logie Award for Most Outstanding Achievement in Public Affairs for an expose of corruption in Australian Aboriginal Legal Services.[22][23]

  • In 2002, he and Max Stahl won the Gold Medal for best international report at the New York Film Festival for an investigation into how Indonesian and militia perpetrators of violence in East Timor had escaped punishment.[22]





It is good to have critics to keep you honest, accurate, and fact-based. Debunkers like Nick West serve a useful purpose and skepticism is necessary to survive. Coulthart is not fazed by skeptics even if some of his UFO claims may prove less than real. However, something tells me the skeptical have always been cynical. When THEY are proven wrong, which they have, it is no big deal and things move along. And, being right about mind-bending ideas in the face of bent spoon* awards from the skeptics is much more impressive.

*Australian Skeptics is a loose confederation of like-minded organizations across Australia that began in 1980. Australian Skeptics investigate paranormal and pseudoscientific claims using scientific methodologies.[1] This page covers all Australian skeptical groups which are of this mindset. The name "Australian Skeptics" can be confused with one of the more prominent groups, "Australian Skeptics Inc", which is based in Sydney and is one of the central organizing groups within Australian Skeptics.
 

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Awards and honors​

  • Coulthart won the 1996 Logie Award for Most Outstanding Achievement in Public Affairs for an expose of corruption in Australian Aboriginal Legal Services.[22][23]

  • In 2002, he and Max Stahl won the Gold Medal for best international report at the New York Film Festival for an investigation into how Indonesian and militia perpetrators of violence in East Timor had escaped punishment.[22]





It is good to have critics to keep you honest, accurate, and fact-based. Debunkers like Nick West serve a useful purpose and skepticism is necessary to survive. Coulthart is not fazed by skeptics even if some of his UFO claims may prove less than real. However, something tells me the skeptical have always been cynical. When THEY are proven wrong, which they have, it is no big deal and things move along. And, being right about mind-bending ideas in the face of bent spoon* awards from the skeptics is much more impressive.

*Australian Skeptics is a loose confederation of like-minded organizations across Australia that began in 1980. Australian Skeptics investigate paranormal and pseudoscientific claims using scientific methodologies.[1] This page covers all Australian skeptical groups which are of this mindset. The name "Australian Skeptics" can be confused with one of the more prominent groups, "Australian Skeptics Inc", which is based in Sydney and is one of the central organizing groups within Australian Skeptics.
Precisely. There is no science among his awards. Coulthart discovered he could glean more cash as a sensationalist with News Nation and the like than he could doing legitimate investigative journalism in Australia and Great Britain. He does not lend legitimacy to a bunch of crackpots.
 

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Precisely. There is no science among his awards. Coulthart discovered he could glean more cash as a sensationalist with News Nation and the like than he could doing legitimate investigative journalism in Australia and Great Britain. He does not lend legitimacy to a bunch of crackpots

Scientists who talk on the same topic and introduce theories have more legitimacy? Call me skeptical. Ross does work with several well-regarded scientists and he is not a crackpot. Be skeptical but claiming he is some bogus, money grubber, does not enhance the argument against his body of work. His awards show he is an esteemed real journalist. Real journalists are some of the most well-rounded and informed people I have ever known.
 
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This is fun even if not a Why Files viewer. I've listened to this catchy theme song for a couple years and lyrics get me smiling:

 
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Does anybody remember the rash of "Flying Saucer landing sites" in soybean and corn fields back in the '60s, '70s, and later? Were they just herbicide damage? Has anyone ever found them in their fields?
Preston Dennett hits the mother lode of UFOs landing in Iowa farmland. In this video, starting at 18:00, his report takes off in my childhood backyard of Fayette County, near Westgate, Iowa. Watch the entire video or forward and revisit these documented cases and associated events.

 
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