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Honestly outside of Willie, Degen, Aaron Holker and Kevin Jackson I can't think of many transfers including Juco's that have made a big impact for us. Here are some off the top of my head.
Duke Burk - Came from N. Illinois as a R12 guy, i don't think he even made the R12 in his 2 years here.
Nate Carr Jr - Came from Iowa Central (JUCO), i think injuries played a part in him not doing as well in his few years.
Chris Drouin - Came from Arizona State as a former AA, I think he qualified for the NCAA tourney with us,
Matt Gibson - Was at a Juco in California, he ended up AA'ing his senior year
Phil Hawes - Came from JUCO, not sure if he even hit the mat for us.
Patrick Hunter - Came from JUCO. didn't do much for us
John Nicholson - Transfer from ODU, never made NCAA's at ISU, but qualified 2 times at ODU.
Earl Hall - Kinda a transfer came from OTC 2xAA
Pat Downey - Transfer from JUCO, We all know this story, 1 x AA at ISU
Danny Bush - Transfer from IA Central (JUCO), won a few matches for us
Skylar St. John - Transfer from Iowa, injuries cut his time here short
Todd Small - Transfer from JUCO, qualified for NCAA's


I may have missed some older transfers, but this is recently. So we've had a few guys that contributed, but nothing earth shattering. Not saying we shouldn't look at transfers, just saying a transfer probably isn't going to majorly change our program (unless we got like a Woods, Griffith or Wick type of guy). So i think what Dresser and Co are doing is what we need to do, get some freshman and develop them.
Missed Mackall off the top of my head.
 

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Honestly outside of Willie, Degen, Aaron Holker and Kevin Jackson I can't think of many transfers including Juco's that have made a big impact for us. Here are some off the top of my head.
Duke Burk - Came from N. Illinois as a R12 guy, i don't think he even made the R12 in his 2 years here.
Nate Carr Jr - Came from Iowa Central (JUCO), i think injuries played a part in him not doing as well in his few years.
Chris Drouin - Came from Arizona State as a former AA, I think he qualified for the NCAA tourney with us,
Matt Gibson - Was at a Juco in California, he ended up AA'ing his senior year
Phil Hawes - Came from JUCO, not sure if he even hit the mat for us.
Patrick Hunter - Came from JUCO. didn't do much for us
John Nicholson - Transfer from ODU, never made NCAA's at ISU, but qualified 2 times at ODU.
Earl Hall - Kinda a transfer came from OTC 2xAA
Pat Downey - Transfer from JUCO, We all know this story, 1 x AA at ISU
Danny Bush - Transfer from IA Central (JUCO), won a few matches for us
Skylar St. John - Transfer from Iowa, injuries cut his time here short
Todd Small - Transfer from JUCO, qualified for NCAA's


I may have missed some older transfers, but this is recently. So we've had a few guys that contributed, but nothing earth shattering. Not saying we shouldn't look at transfers, just saying a transfer probably isn't going to majorly change our program (unless we got like a Woods, Griffith or Wick type of guy). So i think what Dresser and Co are doing is what we need to do, get some freshman and develop them.
I don't disagree that you want to recruit freshman and develop. However, a coach better put some effort in to bring in the transfers as well. It is only becoming more and more popular and I'm sure good coaches understand this. It's a no-brainer to work as hard as you possibly can to bring in someone like Griffith. He is a national champ with 3 years left to compete! Add in the fact that he is a well spoken young man, highly looked up to, and will graduate from Stanford this summer and you have a perfect transfer!
 

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Honestly outside of Willie, Degen, Aaron Holker and Kevin Jackson I can't think of many transfers including Juco's that have made a big impact for us. Here are some off the top of my head.
Duke Burk - Came from N. Illinois as a R12 guy, i don't think he even made the R12 in his 2 years here.
Nate Carr Jr - Came from Iowa Central (JUCO), i think injuries played a part in him not doing as well in his few years.
Chris Drouin - Came from Arizona State as a former AA, I think he qualified for the NCAA tourney with us,
Matt Gibson - Was at a Juco in California, he ended up AA'ing his senior year
Phil Hawes - Came from JUCO, not sure if he even hit the mat for us.
Patrick Hunter - Came from JUCO. didn't do much for us
John Nicholson - Transfer from ODU, never made NCAA's at ISU, but qualified 2 times at ODU.
Earl Hall - Kinda a transfer came from OTC 2xAA
Pat Downey - Transfer from JUCO, We all know this story, 1 x AA at ISU
Danny Bush - Transfer from IA Central (JUCO), won a few matches for us
Skylar St. John - Transfer from Iowa, injuries cut his time here short
Todd Small - Transfer from JUCO, qualified for NCAA's


I may have missed some older transfers, but this is recently. So we've had a few guys that contributed, but nothing earth shattering. Not saying we shouldn't look at transfers, just saying a transfer probably isn't going to majorly change our program (unless we got like a Woods, Griffith or Wick type of guy). So i think what Dresser and Co are doing is what we need to do, get some freshman and develop them.
Iowa does not win their last TWO natty's without transfers.
2021: How many points did transfers Eierman and DeSanto put up for Iowa this year?
2010: the VaTech transfers...
 

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Great points by all, i was just stating we haven't been that successful in the transfer market, but i'm all in for taking transfers if the coaches feel like they are the best option.
 
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The best programs are recruiting studs everyday one way or another and are 2-3 deep at most weight classes. The older Iowa teams had multiple wrestlers finally getting their chance as Jr or Sr and winning NCs (Jesse Whitmer and Kevin Dresser are examples A and B). Recruit the best and it will sort itself out... unless mediocrity is still going to be the norm.
While this used to be true, it isn’t true as much anymore. Kids don’t want to sit and wait for their chance when they can transfer to another program. Even Penn State isn’t 2 or 3 deep with AA’s. It was brought up earlier how their other 4 weights hardly scored points this year. This is the Alabama of football right now. And 40% of their team barely scored anything at nationals. Coaches can always pitch kids, but they want an opportunity to wrestle and they want scholarship money. Iowa State is doing well recruiting right now but the coaches can only do so much with 9.9.
 
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Honestly outside of Willie, Degen, Aaron Holker and Kevin Jackson I can't think of many transfers including Juco's that have made a big impact for us. Here are some off the top of my head.
Duke Burk - Came from N. Illinois as a R12 guy, i don't think he even made the R12 in his 2 years here.
Nate Carr Jr - Came from Iowa Central (JUCO), i think injuries played a part in him not doing as well in his few years.
Chris Drouin - Came from Arizona State as a former AA, I think he qualified for the NCAA tourney with us,
Matt Gibson - Was at a Juco in California, he ended up AA'ing his senior year
Phil Hawes - Came from JUCO, not sure if he even hit the mat for us.
Patrick Hunter - Came from JUCO. didn't do much for us
John Nicholson - Transfer from ODU, never made NCAA's at ISU, but qualified 2 times at ODU.
Earl Hall - Kinda a transfer came from OTC 2xAA
Pat Downey - Transfer from JUCO, We all know this story, 1 x AA at ISU
Danny Bush - Transfer from IA Central (JUCO), won a few matches for us
Skylar St. John - Transfer from Iowa, injuries cut his time here short
Todd Small - Transfer from JUCO, qualified for NCAA's


I may have missed some older transfers, but this is recently. So we've had a few guys that contributed, but nothing earth shattering. Not saying we shouldn't look at transfers, just saying a transfer probably isn't going to majorly change our program (unless we got like a Woods, Griffith or Wick type of guy). So i think what Dresser and Co are doing is what we need to do, get some freshman and develop them.
Transfer market it a TOTALLY different ballgame than in years past. This particular year especially.
 
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I hope you guys are doing your part and recruiting people to buy season tickets next year! Need people in the stands to show up and create the same type of wrestling culture.
Increased my Cyclone Club membership and my season FB tix from 3-->4 this year. Does an Olympic pass still come with that?
 
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While this used to be true, it isn’t true as much anymore. Kids don’t want to sit and wait for their chance when they can transfer to another program. Even Penn State isn’t 2 or 3 deep with AA’s. It was brought up earlier how their other 4 weights hardly scored points this year. This is the Alabama of football right now. And 40% of their team barely scored anything at nationals. Coaches can always pitch kids, but they want an opportunity to wrestle and they want scholarship money. Iowa State is doing well recruiting right now but the coaches can only do so much with 9.9.
1) agree that scholly money is not really a factor when you start dividing 9.9 schollies.
2) Does the new JV/V dual formats actually help us with recruiting? Seemed like it gave a lot of guys a chance to wrestle in front a (limited) crowd compared to doing the open tourney grind while wrestling unattached. If that format sticks I think it could a long way to keeping the non-varsity guys more content until it's "their time".
 

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1) agree that scholly money is not really a factor when you start dividing 9.9 schollies.
2) Does the new JV/V dual formats actually help us with recruiting? Seemed like it gave a lot of guys a chance to wrestle in front a (limited) crowd compared to doing the open tourney grind while wrestling unattached. If that format sticks I think it could a long way to keeping the non-varsity guys more content until it's "their time".
Depends what you guys are actually looking for. A 5* guy like an Eierman, Lugo or Desanto to transfer in and compete for titles right away? That’s based on practice partners and culture of a winning program. Guys to stick around the program and get better and win when they are given their opportunity? That’s on the coaches to develop guys and have them buy in to getting better every day. Iowa State in a short time is showing that the coaches can coach guys up and develop them. 1 or 2 transfers here and there will help, but it’s unrealistic to think we are going to get 1 or 2 big names to transfer in every year.
 
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it’s unrealistic to think we are going to get 1 or 2 big names to transfer in every year.
I agree it is unrealistic to think we are going to get 1 or 2 blue chip transfers every year but there is no reason not to try. We have a more compelling story of why kids should choose us every year this staff is in Ames (in addition to more spots currently available for high-end AA caliber kids).
 

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Respectfully disagree. People get recruited over everyday. Everybody knows the deal they sign up for. Good coaches give people the opportunity to compete for a spot. They don’t guarantee spots.
You may be taking out of context my point. There is a difference in over recruiting and loading up on transfers. Who knew we had a better option at 197 than Weiler who most people where upset we didn’t get last year. If Weiler was here does Coleman even get the chance to make team after recovering from injury? If the transfer isn’t clearly better than what you have there is no reason to pursue. Wick/Griffith are no brainers but i would have to question Krattinger. Is he a better option than Broderson or Shumacher at 174? He may be but I doubt he would move the needle. Downey is a great example of how the wrong transfer can do more harm to your program than good. Quick fixes generally will not change the long term culture.
 
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You may be taking out of context my point. There is a difference in over recruiting and loading up on transfers. Who knew we had a better option at 197 than Weiler who most people where upset we didn’t get last year. If Weiler was here does Coleman even get the chance to make team after recovering from injury? If the transfer isn’t clearly better than what you have there is no reason to pursue. Wick/Griffith are no brainers but i would have to question Krattinger. Is he a better option than Broderson or Shumacher at 174? He may be but I doubt he would move the needle. Downey is a great example of how the wrong transfer can do more harm to your program than good. Quick fixes generally will not change the long term culture.
I obviously cannot speak for them, but Gable and Brands do not think that way. They took in Eierman with open arms knowing it was going to bump the Hawk legacy Carter Happel out of the line-up. To make matters worse Eierman gets to come back for 6th yr next year making Happel sit another year or move weights.
 

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I obviously cannot speak for them, but Gable and Brands do not think that way. They took in Eierman with open arms knowing it was going to bump the Hawk legacy Carter Happel out of the line-up. To make matters worse Eierman gets to come back for 6th yr next year making Happel sit another year or move weights.
Or transfers.
 
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I obviously cannot speak for them, but Gable and Brands do not think that way. They took in Eierman with open arms knowing it was going to bump the Hawk legacy Carter Happel out of the line-up. To make matters worse Eierman gets to come back for 6th yr next year making Happel sit another year or move weights.

Legacy or not, Eierman is better than Happel all day, every day, and he is a great teammate. I don’t want to speak for @cywr89, but I am fairly confident said poster would consider Eierman similar to Wick/Griffith, and agree it’s a no-brainer.
 

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Legacy or not, Eierman is better than Happel all day, every day, and he is a great teammate. I don’t want to speak for @cywr89, but I am fairly confident said poster would consider Eierman similar to Wick/Griffith, and agree it’s a no-brainer.
Another point to this is that the coaches see and know way more than we do. They know the upside and potential of certain guys. They know how bought in some guys are and know who hasn’t peaked yet. I think of guys like Broderson, Gremmel and Coleman as guys who struggle initially but coaches know more than we do and can get to perform at a high level once they are coached up. Broderson falls into that category but isn’t there yet.
 
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Legacy or not, Eierman is better than Happel all day, every day, and he is a great teammate. I don’t want to speak for @cywr89, but I am fairly confident said poster would consider Eierman similar to Wick/Griffith, and agree it’s a no-brainer.
I got the impression some people in this thread thought bringing in transfers will hurt people's feelings. I care more about bringing in the right guys to represent Iowa State the right way if it helps us bring trophies home. Obviously it is a multifactorial decision made exclusively by the coaches.
 

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