Tom Manning OC

[BWRhasnoAC]

I like the hire. Might as well go ALL IN on the young coaches (that our young head coach feels very comfortable with) and see what happens... something we have NEVER tried before. We've tried basically everything else. What is the worst thing that can happen? Some of you are sounding like you think Rhoads had the perfect age demographic on staff. How was that working out?

I mean seriously. What do we have to lose? It's CMC's job, his staff, his team, his record at ISU. He can hire whoever he needs, and I'd be stupid to think that I know more about what he thinks he needs from subordinates than I do.

Will it work out? I don't know, but I'm actually excited that we are doing something different this time.

The more different the better as far as I'm concerned. What we have been doing forever hasn't worked.

Good post, but the grammar Nazis are losing it right now.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Good post, but the grammar Nazis are losing it right now.

Haha... let em lose it.

 

[Luth4Cy]

In my 30 or so years of being a Cyclone fan I would say our best OC was Steve Loney. He was also our Offensive Line coach. I do not believe he had some stellar resume when he was appointed to the OC spot 20 years ago. I am willing to give this a chance especially if Campbell is still going to be involved in the play calling. I thought the 2 best offenses in the Big XII were OU and Baylor. How experienced were their OC's???

Good comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Loney

 

[Rods79]

Wait, what?

http://footballscoop.com/news/2015-fbs-coach-of-the-year-awards-finalists/

 

[CyberJJJ]

Saw this coming when they didn't announce Mannings salary yesterday. Sturdy staying at QB coach makes sense with him having OC experience and history with current players. Coupled with the fact I've never heard anything bad said about Sturdy.

So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying he would be a sturdy hire?

 

[Cy$]

Knowing CF we'll be in the top 25 in offense in a couple years.

 

[NorthCyd]

Named one of top 4 this year joining someone from Stanford, Oklahoma and somewhere else. Seems to be very well thought of but we will all probably hate him since he isn't old and didn't coach at some huge P5 school.

I promise not to hate any of our new coaching staff until we lose to UNI.

 

[IceCyIce]

First Thought - is he still driving under a learners permit?

 

[Wally86]

It also worked out for Urban Meyer at Florida when he hired his buddy Dan Mullen, who was just a QB coach at a Moutain West Conference member Utah, as the OC at Florida prior to having any OC experience.

If CMC can judge talent like Urban Meyer we have a winner. Judging coaching talent was one of the CPR's downfalls.

 

[CycloneErik]

Knowing CF we'll be in the top 25 in offense in a couple years.

Top 2.5; be a supportive fan.

 

[FarminCy]

I think it's a good move. It's a guy that Campbell has faith in. People also need to understand that all offensive coaches are involved in game planning as well as identifying and recommending during the game. It appears to me that the Toledo staff had more of an OC by committee even though Candle had the actual title. I don't see this changing at ISU. Campbell and Manning were succesful game planning together at Toledo so I don't see why that would change here.

I like the move as it sets it up to be a 180 of the last 2 years were.

 

[isu81]

Named one of top 4 this year joining someone from Stanford, Oklahoma and somewhere else. Seems to be very well thought of but we will all probably hate him since he isn't old and didn't coach at some huge P5 school.

OK, thanks for the source. wink:

 

[CyInDFW]

I really like the effort and such put in by the Cambell staff but I just don't think they know what they are getting into. Very few coaches come in and have success immediately. The Big XII, I'm afraid, is going to eat them up next year. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.

And that's different from the last three years how?

 

[CyInDFW]

What does this tell you? People can hope in one hand and **** in the other. Reality is that it's a monumental task to turn around the Iowa State football program and anyone who honestly believes Matt Campbell is the guy that's going to do it is probably not being very realistic. As fans of course you hope that is the case, but there's a difference between hoping and being realistic.

Campbell won some at Toledo, but Toledo was arguably the best coaching job in the MAC with all of the talent they have around them in Ohio. Iowa State is a completely different story. Quite frankly, it probably doesn't matter who these assistants are that are being hired, but it certainly should raise some red flags when he's bringing in guys who have very little experience at this level. Especially when he himself has very little experience at this level. I mean maybe that's what is needed, but again there's that pesky reality to deal with.

Yes because he didn't have to recruit against any other MAC schools in Ohio right?...Ohio, Miami (OH), Akron, Bowling Green...not to mention other nearby schools that aren't big time like W. Kentucky, Cincy, all the neighboring MAC schools in Michigan, etc

 

[OHCyclone]

I have no idea what kind of play caller he'll be, but this guy is smart, one heck of a worker and a big time competitor. If those are indicators of success, I think Tom will be fine.

 

[Dealwithit]

I don't think the hire is bad but i think it looks bad...the reason being, if he was hired as the OC right out of the gate it would seem that the staff thought he was ready and confident in his ability to run the offense. Instead, they hired him as a line coach and then promoted him to OC which gives the impression that they missed out on OCs and were reaching with his promotion. I'm sure it'll be fine regardless.

 

[RustShack]

I don't think the hire is bad but i think it looks bad...the reason being, if he was hired as the OC right out of the gate it would seem that the staff thought he was ready and confident in his ability to run the offense. Instead, they hired him as a line coach and then promoted him to OC which gives the impression that they missed out on OCs and were reaching with his promotion. I'm sure it'll be fine regardless.

I think you missed the part where we had Toledos OC, but he got promoted to HC at Toledo. Obviously we missed out on our OC, because he got promoted. So we promoted from within as well. Because that's what good coaches do, groom their staff. Have everyone on the same page continuing what works. You don't hire someone who doesn't fit just because he has a bigger name.

 

[Dealwithit]

I think you missed the part where we had Toledos OC, but he got promoted to HC at Toledo. Obviously we missed out on our OC, because he got promoted. So we promoted from within as well. Because that's what good coaches do, groom their staff. Have everyone on the same page continuing what works. You don't hire someone who doesn't fit just because he has a bigger name.

I didn't miss anything...look at it from a non-ISU perspective. If this happened at Iowa, people on here would be talking about how they were reaching and what a crappy hire it is. Fact.

 

[RustShack]

I didn't miss anything...look at it from a non-ISU perspective. If this happened at Iowa, people on here would be talking about how they were reaching and what a crappy hire it is. Fact.

Cool. Who cares? You have to start somewhere. Did you know Nick Saban was a position coach once?

 

[TheHelgo]

I have no information whatsoever, but I could see something like the following as happening:

First, Candle was hired as HC at Toledo after agreeing to be OC at ISU
Subsequently, Manning was in the mix for OC here with other potential candidates that Campbell was actively evaluating.
Next, Candle may have come to Manning and offered him the OC position at Toledo - causing Campbell to make a decision.
Not wanting to lose his guy, Campbell made the decision he may have ultimately made anyway and promoted Manning to OC at ISU.